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| STIG> | Ok I will start and if there is any lag you might still get some
of the discussion first off thankyou for being here to hear me ramble on.. some of you may be asking why we need to talk about Limits in the first place as we all have our limits and we each talk about this with each others Masters/ess and between subs But my question is this is there a difference between real time and cyber? I have spoken to lots of people here and in the front room and I have found that there are lots of people that have not had any r/t experiance we all know that in cyber we can do anything we want..be women/men ....sub/ dom/me...young old |
| HotShot <m> | <---is always me..good or bad |
| dominique~> | lurking very quietly... r/t reasons |
| STIG> | we can try all things and use all things.... but what if we move
this to real time?... I only use what I have used in r/t but what if someone tries
something in r/t that they have tried in cyber?... as we all know this lifestyle can hurt I hear of all sorts of things being done and I wounder if everyone knows exactly what they are really do? and so I open this question to the floor is there a difference between r/t and v/t and if so how can we as a group help each other about these limits? |
| HotShot <m> | hmmm... |
| STIG> | thankyou |
| Red Hawk~~> | ... thanks STIG |
| HotShot <m> | my sub only really does thing r/t for me |
| Triton> | thank Stig |
| Red Hawk~~> | I think there is a definite difference between the two..... |
| Triton> | amd hello All |
| mb~~SirJ's> | Hello Family<warm loving smile> |
| swann> | hello Triton Sir *hug* |
| mb~~SirJ's> | Triton((((((hugs))))))) hello swann |
| HotShot <m> | so the v/t thing is r/t for me....and what she does is basically self inflicted |
| Red Hawk~~> | r/t is phyical and has it's limitations..... v/t is cyber and anythings goes.... except in cyber you have "morale" limits |
| mb~~SirJ's> | but are not the emotion both rt and vt just as deep and effective? |
| jen*******> | emotional limits as well in both vt and rt |
| Red Hawk~~> | right... emotional limits in both |
| STIG> | yes but we all know that some people come in htat have no experiance and then might go and try things out and get hurt |
| Red Hawk~~> | ... and getting hurt in r/t when coming from v/t is a real problem..... |
| swann> | *nodding at what STIG just said* |
| Triton> | If I head Stig correctly he adked if we can handle RT after VT |
| mb~~SirJ's> | yes...not understanding that what can be done here may not be possible RT |
| HotShot <m> | yes...and I've seen some subs not say 'no' because they don't realize they can |
| jen*******> | yes, it can effect both |
| Red Hawk~~> | .... you need to re-adjust, re-negotiate after v/t.... |
| STIG> | its easy to say go and say in cyber burn yourself with a match but it r/t it hurts like hell |
| Triton> | exactly Red |
| HotShot <m> | <----doesn't take v/t beyond r/t........ |
| jen*******> | it hurts just as much in vt too, STIG, Sir |
| joannie~~S> | <<-- no experience.... and also don't know when it's ok to say no to a Dom |
| Red Hawk~~> | HS... what is your experience is only v/t..... |
| swann> | i agree with HotShot...my limits vt are my limits rt |
| STIG> | yes jen it does.. |
| mb~~SirJ's> | but STIG how about those who do as much as possible RT as they are connected VT? |
| HotShot <m> | she still needs to tell me when to stop....... |
| Triton> | I only play in RT so I can keep my limits the same as VT |
| HotShot <m> | since everything I suggest is r/t ...the only diff is distance |
| STIG> | its seems to me that people that do r/t know what there limits are but there are lots of people that just do v/t for now and then move onto r/t |
| Red Hawk~~> | for those who have both r/t and v/t the same limits is fine..... .... problem comes in when you move from v/t to r/t without thinking it through... |
| dominique~> | or vice versa |
| jen*******> | i have the same limits in both vt and rt...for me, i have found it hard to find the line between the two lives |
| Triton> | exactly jen |
| STIG> | I know that each of us has differents limits but we must remember that it is different v/t . |
| tiffany~*~> | I am sorry.... when you say RT - are you talking about actually physically being together... or following along with your Master physically via v/t |
| swann> | Red Hawk Sir...the problem seems to be not moving from vt<-->rt but the not thinking things though |
| *sun~~Cimm> | Actually being together tiffany. |
| Red Hawk~~> | in v/t my limits are different than in r/t.... just because the physical environment is different... |
| jen*******> | vt=on-line/rt=off-line |
| tiffany~*~> | Thanks. |
| STIG> | I could do anything to a new sub and she could say yes to everything I want..but moving to r/t is a very big step |
| Red Hawk~~> | swann.... exactly... they are different realms.... |
| swann> | i think sometimes there is lack of proper self-education |
| HotShot <m> | I don't consider being together the only form of r/t...... |
| swann> | lack of communication |
| STIG> | my worry is that things might get out of hand and that may tarnish BDSM |
| Triton> | where swann here or RT |
| swann> | and not reading between the lines ..what is not said is often more powerful than what is said |
| STIG> | i'm sorry if I miss some comments I have some lag |
| Mezmer~Dez> | hello mb.... joy to your path trusted friend |
| HotShot <m> | if my sub is following my commands in the real world/physically..then I consider that v/t.....the computer is only a medium... |
| tiffany~*~> | (smiles at swann's comment) |
| Red Hawk~~> | looks like almost every discussion goes to the core issue: communication and trust.... |
| HotShot <m> | agrees with RH |
| tiffany~*~> | That was my point HotShot....I do that completely |
| HotShot <m> | and I trust my sub to be doing the things i tell her to in r/t.....and I trust her to tell me when I'm pushing her too far |
| Red Hawk~~> | I one does physical things.... even when instigated through the computer.... it is reat time to me.... |
| Triton> | but not subs due tiffany |
| jen*******> | how does one separate the two, or should it be separated? |
| STIG> | yes Red but what if you have a dom that is only a cyber dom and then moves to r/t |
| Triton> | With out proper education Stig? |
| MyndWalkr> | thanks for inviting jen |
| tiffany~*~> | then it is only a game Triton.... and I want it to be more |
| Red Hawk~~> | STIG... communication...communication.... the only thing that works... |
| jen*******> | you're welcome, MW, Sir (smiles) it's good to see you here |
| STIG> | jen yes sometimes it should be sperarate |
| Triton> | Ok tiffany but I ment to say not many subs tiffany |
| HotShot <m> | well v/t is someting of fantasy to me.....if I am describing a scene to my sub, and she is playing along....but not doing anything physically..other than cyber sex..that is vt |
| Triton> | Hello MW |
| STIG> | yes Triton education is the word that runs with communication |
| Triton> | Then it is like sitting on a time bomb Stig |
| HotShot <m> | can't comment on that.....since I only do r/t....and only safely.... |
| Red Hawk~~> | actually it would be great to have a paper on the proper migration from v/t to r/t and its risks and pitfalls.... |
| STIG> | cyber sex is easy than cyber BDSM |
| Mezmer~Dez> | if you do sceneing as a game and not as instruction Hot Shot..how can you say that you are a v/t dom..instead of only a game player? |
| MyndWalkr> | I have done that STIG and your right there should be a paper |
| swann> | STIG i think i speak for all the sub/slaves here ....we have all picked up the pieces of our sisters/brothers when a situation was not understood or communication was weak |
| Temujin> | everything I do here I have done r/t...and my subs follow it r/t...even if I am away..my instructions are real |
| HotShot <m> | what I meant is that I only use v/t to go beyond r/t limits...... |
| Temujin> | scening is dangerous...and I dislike it..it is a game |
| swann> | vt and rt can't be easily separated |
| jen*******> | no, it can't be swann at least not for me |
| swann> | nor for me |
| *sun~~Cimm> | me either. |
| Mezmer~Dez> | why would you want to go beyond r/t limits? would you be able to do that in person.. isn't that game playing? |
| STIG> | Yes I have no problems with people that have r/t experiance its just my worry for the people without it |
| Temujin> | swann...and I have seen the pieces as well...am concerned about the wannabe doms |
| HotShot <m> | if she reacts well to the v/t.....we may try it next time r/t..... |
| tiffany~*~> | <-- already has felt the weight of trying to separate v/t and r/t |
| MyndWalkr> | see it isnt really seperate, if not a game...the emotions are real, the feelings the same.... |
| Red Hawk~~> | ...game playing is quite OK for me... as a mental excercise.... |
| HotShot <m> | with a new sub I would rather increase limits slowly..... |
| jen*******> | very much so, MW, Sir |
| Mezmer~Dez> | one of the things that concern me is the fact that a lot of people automatically connect sadism with domination... not all doms flay the skin from thier subs |
| STIG> | yyou hi the nail on the head Temujin |
| MyndWalkr> | well Temujin the only way to protect for that would be to stick
and experienced sub with a wannabe Dom and vice versa we were all newbies at one point and had to learn like anyone else |
| Temujin> | I agree with you Mezmer... |
| MyndWalkr> | me too Mezmer |
| STIG> | MW you are correct also |
| joannie~~S> | <<-- learning the hard way with wannabe's |
| jen*******> | just out of curiosity, how would you all define 'wannabe's'? |
| adler*****> | But you cant idiot proof the whole world |
| Triton> | Temujin because I don't have a RT sun/slave does that make me less of a Dom |
| MyndWalkr> | well,maybe I confused wannabe with newbie |
| STIG> | so how do we help new people and ourselves? |
| HotShot <m> | we have all seen the people who come into conf and think it is there right to take a sub |
| Triton> | sun-sub |
| MyndWalkr> | true HS |
| Leif owner> | is main conf down?? |
| Triton> | yes |
| Mezmer~Dez> | the thing that angers me is that newbies come in conference and automatically assume that all subs are sluts wanting to have a cybersex experience.. |
| Red Hawk~~> | Mezmer.... because of your sadism comment... I feel it important to have v/t limits as well..... if there is something that is definitely out of bounds for a v/t partner... then that is a limit.... |
| MyndWalkr> | yes I agree Mezmer |
| STIG> | Triton it depends on what you are after I think |
| swann> | even experienced people run into trouble ...i found that out yesterday and have been sick for two days |
| Temujin> | a common problem Mezmer...you may have seen my anger let loose on several occassions |
| Triton> | and Mine as well |
| STIG> | some people just like the idea of control and like to play the game |
| Mezmer~Dez> | I would not do anything v/t that I would not do r/t it confuses the training of your sub.. |
| jen*******> | yes, but if you look at some of the wannabe subs, they stir it up, so it goes both ways...it's not just the Doms that jump on the subs |
| MyndWalkr> | that may be the difference between wanna be's and newbies yes jen, good point |
| Mezmer~Dez> | then it must be stressed to the newbies that this is the family room and cs should be taken private... if I was in someones living room I would not have sex in front of others.. it is a personal experience between you and your sub .. |
| jen*******> | i believe a wannabe is one who is turned on by the idea and a newbie is someone who has found the interest and is serious in pursuing it |
| STIG> | a wanna be is more dangerous than a newbi |
| MyndWalkr> | percieve wannabe's as those that percieve this lifestyle as a
way to unleash their desires and impinge their will on anyone yes, a newbie, is someone exploring |
| Triton> | I have let my thoughts and actions be know here and out front and this has not effected my RT life ar all |
| jen*******> | exploring, but serious about it |
| MyndWalkr> | wanna be's are bad |
| STIG> | so where have we got to here? |
| Temujin> | yes jen...good description...and the difference is easily seen and seen early |
| MyndWalkr> | yes exactly jen |
| Mezmer~Dez> | and another point is how does a sub distinguish between a bully and a dom.. I have a lot of friends that have been caught up by bullies instead of doms |
| MyndWalkr> | sorry didnt finish my thought |
| jen*******> | i'll do it for you, MW, Sir (giggles) |
| MyndWalkr> | well yes Mezmer that again is a problem, becuase bullies are like vultures and jump on newbie subs |
| jen*******> | the subs have a wider support group than the Dom/me's have and they should take advantage of that and ask around about the person that interests them |
| Temujin> | well something could happen more formally that happens informally |
| jen*******> | if a sub doesn't seek info on a Dom/me, then she/he is only looking for trouble and will find that one bully |
| MyndWalkr> | yes, and I often direct new subs to talk to more experienced subs in conf, or online |
| STIG> | it is a big issue and I can see that everyone has feeling that in line with my thoughts and we should help to sort some of this out..someone mentioned a paper being issued? |
| joannie~~S> | but how do serious newbies know the difference... when i say hello i don't know if it is a new person or a regular that hasn't been here for awhile... and i'm here quite alot... it's very confusing wanting to show due respect.. |
| jen*******> | exactly MW, Sir |
| Temujin> | yes jen, I advise/use that quite a bit *smile* |
| swann> | yes a paper is being prepared with information links Sir |
| STIG> | same here MW |
| jen*******> | joannie, you ask the ones that have been around or ones that you trust to know the ones that you may not know |
| Mezmer~Dez> | why would a dom need a support group..? If you notice at
functions that doms have friends that they are friendly with.. but the subs gather like a
flock of chickens it is hard to distinguish individual voices sometimes yes mb.. |
| Triton> | but will bullies read them |
| MyndWalkr> | well, yes I have thought about putting together or having
someone put together a newbie package with info web sites lists of people that are willing to instruct rather than pounce |
| STIG> | thanks swann |
| Red Hawk~~> | only way to help with this issue is to a) educate new subs as to their rights... and b) try to get rid of bullies.... |
| jen*******> | Mezmer, like subs learn from others, would Dom/me's not want to learn from other Dom/me's? why would they not want a support grouP |
| Temujin> | in moderators box could be listed some Dom's and subs for subs turn to for help and advice...and I say for subs as they run the potential of most hurt |
| tiffany~*~> | MW - that would be wonderfu. |
| swann> | MyndWalkr Sir that is in process of being prepared....should be ready soon Sir |
| MyndWalkr> | education and info is the best way to fight bullies |
| Mezmer~Dez> | maybe it wouldn't hurt for a dom to say something to a newbie or wannabe if a sub is being offended |
| mb~~SirJ's> | who defines the bullies....i know that not all of us agree who is "abusive " and who is not |
| MyndWalkr> | kewl swann ;) |
| Triton> | We have Mez |
| STIG> | yes Red thats a good idea |
| jen*******> | Mezmer, i see more of the subs taking care of the other subs
than i see the Dom's doing it and it shouldn't be that way Sir |
| swann> | there are a few Dom's that don't fear stepping in ... |
| MyndWalkr> | I think most of us here have stood up for new subs that are
being offended even regular subs that are being offended |
| *sun~~Cimm> | and those Doms are highly appreciated. |
| Mezmer~Dez> | jen,,, most doms are private or most of the doms I know.. they have the self sufficiency in themselves that they don't feel the need for support... |
| MyndWalkr> | well gosh thats true too jen |
| swann> | but there should also be a room rule that there is a safeword... |
| mb~~SirJ's> | well joannie there is that question of stepping on anothers DOM/mmes rules |
| Triton> | jen I have stepped in more times than I care to count out front |
| MyndWalkr> | ahhh, excellent idea |
| tiffany~*~> | <--- I have often wanted advise from another Dom... a perspective of a Dom, but feared approaching one who was not my Master |
| STIG> | I help in my own way sometime but not open to offten |
| *sun~~Cimm> | one word that when used, stops the conference. |
| jen*******> | yes Triton, and so have most everyone here, but at night, i notice that there are more problems and not everyone is around, Sir |
| MyndWalkr> | the dungeon parties I have attended all have a house safe word |
| Triton> | Mez several of the newer Dom's have come to me asking ?'s |
| joannie~~S> | *nodding at mb* |
| STIG> | Mez we had this discussion before..it seems to be a bone of contention |
| Temujin> | they can use Temujin as the word sun.....sometimes I do stop conference *laughing* |
| jen*******> | i don't believe that it would be possible to do that simply for the all of the newbies or wannabe's that we have in there |
| Triton> | soory but a man has to sleep LOL |
| *sun~~Cimm> | *laughing* |
| MyndWalkr> | LOL |
| dominique~> | lol |
| MyndWalkr> | too hard to spell lol |
| Triton> | to long to spell LOL |
| Mezmer~Dez> | tiffany.. it is better to get your masters permission first.. a lot of doms do not want thier subs confused by the decisions other doms make.. not all doms have the same teachings or values.. |
| dominique~> | bingo |
| STIG> | true Mez |
| jen*******> | no, not bingo, but a discussion, domi (giggles) |
| HotShot <m> | <-------has to go to r/t BDSM party...see you all later |
| jen*******> | have fun HotShot, Sir |
| dominique~> | lol |
| mb~~SirJ's> | thery best way tiff is to go together with your MASTER....i know MASTER and i chat with other DOm/mes and their sub and l;earn alot |
| Temujin> | and many are scared they will enjoy the other Dom more |
| joannie~~S> | bye HotShot Sir |
| MyndWalkr> | on the other hand Mezmer, what you just said is a truism that we all or at least most of us hold dear, and we can share that as well |
| Red Hawk~~> | true...Mezmer.... but if a somebody needs/wants advise then we (all) should be willing and available to give it when asked.... |
| Triton> | be safe HS |
| STIG> | but getting back to the issue about the limits between r/t and v/t should we take more notice of this? |
| mb~~SirJ's> | <green with ebvy> have fun HOTSHOT |
| MyndWalkr> | tally ho HS |
| Red Hawk~~> | bye HS... take care |
| HotShot <m> | HOTSHOT dissappears with a CLICK! FLASH! WHRRRR! |
| swann> | absolutely STIG Sir ABSOLUTELY |
| Mezmer~Dez> | I do not mind giving advice to a sub.. as long as it is with her masters approval... |
| Triton> | Yes Stig |
| HotShot <m> | if anyone sees misty..tell her I love her and miss her dearly...thanks |
| MyndWalkr> | is easy enough to say, well is important to discuss this with
your Master, and for everyone it is different...yadda yadda yadda done HS |
| Triton> | HS is that the Maverick we talked about |
| STIG> | so what can we do? |
| HotShot <m> | yes it is... |
| mb~~SirJ's> | well part of the enjoyment of VT is that there are thing io can do here i can not do RT....like eats gobs of choc whip cream<just an example> part is educating people to KNOW that some of here is pure fantasy |
| Triton> | OK |
| mb~~SirJ's> | lol Temujin |
| HotShot <m> | and I mentioned the situation to Leif and frille this morning |
| jen*******> | there needs to be a stronger support group for both subs and Dom/me's |
| MyndWalkr> | STIG, again, this is something that could be included in a
newbie package at least some warnings etc |
| swann> | MW if you want i can show you the draft later Sir |
| STIG> | OK as long this issue is being adressed then things should be better for all of us |
| MyndWalkr> | I would love that swann, just for my own info |
| jen*******> | yes, but how many of us have truly sat down and gone through all of the conference pages and the links, MW, Sir? i have for my own self, but not everyone here has |
| MyndWalkr> | and would be glad to throw in any feedback |
| Triton> | ME has |
| joannie~~S> | <<-- would be interested in helping... AND learning... |
| HotShot <m> | he popped in earlier but when he saw me he left quickly....I'm in conf under a diff name right now |
| Temujin> | this newbie package is good for those who want to learn....I am concerned about wannabe's...and I include some so called experienced doms here.....were the subs need help and advice quickly |
| HotShot <m> | oops..sorry was supposed to be P |
| STIG> | thats very true jen |
| Temujin> | I haven't jen...so much is BS...a more concise package is needed |
| swann> | i'm getting paranoid |
| mb~~SirJ's> | part of this life style is to learn to be personally responsibile....that means educating yourself |
| Mezmer~Dez> | I have no problem speaking up for a sub against an offensive charactor as long as it is okay with her master... doms also have boundaries that they are uncomfortable when others tread too near |
| shay~~Sir_> | *smiles at HotShot* |
| MyndWalkr> | yes, we can not take responsibility for others, but we can offer we can gueide |
| jen*******> | ok with their Masters? would you not jump in to protect a sub without waiting for the Master's permission? |
| MyndWalkr> | oops guide |
| Triton> | Mez all i hva edone is given protection behind me from unrully ppl |
| jen*******> | that's crazy |
| Red Hawk~~> | if someone needs help quickly...and if the help is requested... I will give it. |
| Triton> | Never in powwow and never in [p] |
| jen*******> | the Master would be happy to know that there are others here watching out for his sub |
| MyndWalkr> | I would protect ya jen |
| Triton> | Some Mastres are not her all the time I am |
| STIG> | but how does a newbie now who to get advice and help from Red? |
| Temujin> | Mezmer...who cares about that...if someone is getting hurt, I step in... |
| MyndWalkr> | if Net had a problem with it he would come to me and chew me out
later I can live with that |
| jen*******> | my Master doesn't want a Dom asking him if he can protect me when he's not there, that's crazy |
| Triton> | I know that for a fact |
| Mezmer~Dez> | I have heard of some masters putting thier subs out for sharing...and if someone interferes it angers them.. |
| Temujin> | if the Dom does not care about it he can speak to me and be verbally flayed in public |
| mb~~SirJ's> | there are people who are comfortable jumping in at anytime....example is the JYD....but others are not comfortable...should that be held against them? |
| MyndWalkr> | thats why a ummm conference safe word would be nice |
| swann> | yesterday a Dom whipped one of my friends and ordered me to lick his ass.... |
| jen*******> | well, that Dom/me needs to read up a bit, i believe |
| MyndWalkr> | publicize it...share it |
| Triton> | Mez if Dez was in trouble and someene stepped in who would you bew mad at |
| Red Hawk~~> | STIG..... that is a problem we all have... who do we talk to...but the people we trust.... |
| Temujin> | then Mezmer the Dom should be more careful in who he chooses |
| swann> | if Triton was not there it may have been worse than it already was |
| joannie~~S> | my Master is unable to be here often... and i appreciate help.. it's scary being alone |
| Mezmer~Dez> | we all step in jen but I only say something if it looks like the sub is in need... |
| MyndWalkr> | *flexing Dom muscles* |
| tiffany~*~> | <--- would only hope that the other Dom's would protect me in the absence of my Master... as the subs have been there for me |
| jen*******> | you are the ones with the voice, we are not |
| MyndWalkr> | we shold all help one another some of us are louder than others |
| adler*****> | <---is lucky hes a male sub...not nearly as harrased |
| jen*******> | if there is a bully in there he's not listening to us subs, that's for sure |
| swann> | Mesmer Sir sometimes you have to step in because the sub/slave is too scared to voice her distress openly |
| STIG> | Red true..*smiling* |
| Triton> | My voice seems to stop thing quickly too Tem |
| Mezmer~Dez> | usually you can tell from what the offender says as to what the sub is comfortable with... especially if you know the sub |
| joannie~~S> | especially a new sub who is afraid to do or say the wrong thing!!! |
| swann> | i have seen a Master so horrid to his sub that i was sick over it....i know other Dom's stepped in .....and a room safeword is MANDATORY |
| MyndWalkr> | in RT, in a dungeon party, if someone came in acting brutal or like an ass, they would get strung up by their whatevers...should it not be any less here |
| Mezmer~Dez> | swann did not Dezeray step in when Magician got a little out of line last night? |
| MyndWalkr> | or there |
| jen*******> | my Master would have more of a problem with a Dom not helping me than anything else...forget caring what the Master thinks at the time, but protect the sub for the time being and then explain what happened later |
| mb~~SirJ's> | i have stood up to DOM/mes that are bring abuseive but not everyone has that abiliy |
| MyndWalkr> | that is true mb |
| swann> | Sir but i have seen Master's with their own subs that needed to be repremanded...... |
| MyndWalkr> | but that is why a safe word for the conf would give voice to those that are uncertain |
| Triton> | swann thats is not our place to do so |
| swann> | in P yes it is |
| jen*******> | no, it's not |
| Triton> | Never |
| tiffany~*~> | *smiles at Temujin* |
| Mezmer~Dez> | one thing that helps when you are being harrassed is when you are being whispered to mention the name outloud of the offender.. they are usually cowards or they would be talking in conference |
| Red Hawk~~> | well... there is also the problem of what is offensive.... so some it is... and to others it is still within the limits..... |
| Triton> | thats between the Dom & sub |
| swann> | yes Triton Sir it is.... |
| STIG> | I think that we are going in cricles and we should rap this discussion up. I think that this has open our eyes to more of what is happerning and how to help out a bit |
| mb~~SirJ's> | swann that is the hardest to determin...cuz we do not always know what the personal contract is...but i have had subs come to me who had problen with thweir MASTERS and i have gone then and delt with it |
| Triton> | then mb you are acting as a mediary |
| mb~~SirJ's> | yes and as a sister |
| Temujin> | yes swann...I have seen that...some seem to have a position of respect but are no better than the wannabes |
| jen*******> | i want to discuss this 'safe-word' for a bit more...if we could get it in the moderator's box, then we would know that if used, we will be protected |
| mb~~SirJ's> | good idea jen |
| swann> | jen that will be in the new document coming out soon |
| MyndWalkr> | good idea jen |
| mb~~SirJ's> | cool swann |
| ~pierced&p> | *queitly enters...settling down...listening intently* |
| jen*******> | not soon enough for some, swann...i've heard about this document for 2 weeks now |
| swann> | unfortunately my flu has delayed things |
| Triton> | hellp p&p |
| ~pierced&p> | *kotc* Triton...Sir |
| MyndWalkr> | jen this was kewl, thank you again if I hadnt already |
| swann> | well jen unfortunately nobody thought of it before |
| MyndWalkr> | ;) |
| jen*******> | you're very welcome, MW and i'm glad that you came, Sir |
| mb~~SirJ's> | oh it was thought of just never organized swann...thank you for organizing |
| swann> | and compiling the informations is half of the work |
| Red Hawk~~> | STIG.... thanks for starting us out... good discussion.... |
| Mezmer~Dez> | it does not even have to be a word jen it can be a character like %% in the answer so that the sub would not be chastized for asking for help if the offender did not know the safe word |
| STIG> | thankyou all for hearing me ramble on |
| swann> | i have been working day and night with the committee |
| MyndWalkr> | thanks STIG |
| jen*******> | what does this document have anything to do with putting a word up in the box, swann? |
| ~pierced&p> | man I hope someone logged this * snapping fingers* |
| *sun~~Cimm> | and doing a wonderful job swann. |
| mb~~SirJ's> | thank you STIG<soft warm sensual smile> |
| Red Hawk~~> | and swann is doing a great job... I'll attest to that.... |
| *sun~~Cimm> | You did a wonderful job STIG Sir.. |
| jen*******> | thank you STIG, Sir |
| Triton> | Than uou STIG |
| swann> | it has to do with the fact that the room has to agree on the information in the document ..it is not the desire of the committee to force things on anybody |
| MyndWalkr> | thank you all, must run like the wind..... bye for now |
| jen*******> | bye MW, Sir |
| swann> | bye MW Sir |
| *sun~~Cimm> | bye MW Sir. |
| Triton> | good luck |
| STIG> | anytime ..*but not for awhile* |
| swann> | thank you STIG |
| ~pierced&p> | bye MW..Sir |
| Triton> | see ay MW |
| joannie~~S> | thank you EVERYONE for letting me share in this... i learned alot |
| tiffany~*~> | <---- learned a lot.... |
| Red Hawk~~> | take care MW... |
| jen*******> | i'm glad that you both were here, joannie and tiff (hugs) |
| ~pierced&p> | <----missed everything....*pout* |
| Red Hawk~~> | p&p there will be a log avail. |
