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01.02.'97 - Logfile of Discussion (Nita)

Our close friend Nita died on Oct, 16th 1997 after her long bout with cancer.

Nita was and will always be a very special lady. She was so much to so many - a friend, a lover, a pal, a mother, a Domme. She had many gifts, one of which was putting people at ease - she always made us feel comfortable when she was around. Everyone loved and adored her. Her smile would light up the darkest night, her voice could calm the stormiest sea. If you needed a friend, she was always there for you.
How I wish I could have given to her half of what she gave to me. That was her nature though - she always gave to those who needed her.

RoseOur hearts are bigger for having known her, our souls better for having been touched by her love.

We will miss you, Nita.

 

Nita>  <looking at watch>
Rebel>  nita.. are you almost ready ????
Triton>  10 minutes Nita
Hello Rebel
Vince>  3 mins on my PC clock
Nita>  I am ready when you are Reb
Rebel>  ok.. everyone...please be quiet for a few minutes
Triton>  Hello dez*smile*
dez~Mesmer>  Hello Triton Sir..*smile*
Rebel>  nita when you are ready please begin..
Nita>  Thanks Reb....
First I would like to thank you for the opportunity to share with you this evening....and have you share with us on the emotional bonds of relationships online
As some of you know....I lost someone very dear to me just over a month ago....pet
Our relationship lasted well over 5 months and we shared not only as Mistress and sub...but friend to friend...and woman to woman
Blue Rose~>  hi reb!!!!!!!:)
Nita>  With pet's passing I found the bond that was formed vt was based on the emotions of rt
jen*******>  (walks in quietly and settles onto Master's lap and listens intently)
Nita>  Some come here to find a quick fix to an inner hurt....but most in this room realize how rich a relationship can be when emotions grow
Blue Rose~>  oops sorry:(
Nita>  I have found myself going through a type of grieving process....that will hard to find closure.....but being here with friends...and pet's friends helps me as I hope it helps you
There is only one more thing I want to say before we open the discussion.....base your relationships on honesty...integrity....and respect and you will receive much more than you could ever imagine.....
Thank you....
Rebel>  nita .. did you find you had a mental bond with pet .. and if so how would you classify it ??
ShaoLin>  **silent in the face of Nita's emotion... respectful**
Red Hawk>  Thank You ....Nita...
Triton>  Well said Nita and knowing for a short while I only hopw that you find the strenght and solitude you need
Vince>  Thanks, Nita
Nita>  mental?....we KNEW all about each other...there was never anything that was off limits for us....
SirJ>  who dez?
hello all
Rebel>  well does anyone have any questions or comments ???
Triton>  Did it grow from here Nita?
Red Hawk>  I feel emotions in v/t are as real as any r/t emotions.... there is always a real person at the other end of the line....
Triton>  Hello SirJ
sun~~Cimme>  What Nita is describing is something that is very, very hard to find here, but when you do, you grasp it and hold tightly to it.
katie>  *quietly walking over to nita to kiss her cheek and squeeze her shoulder*
Nita>  I never spoke to pet on the phone....I never knew what my little one sounded like....but yet I have her laughter and her tears in my heart
Rebel>  nita .. do you feel it difficult now to cultivate another relationship ???
Nita>  I still have et with me....I have not looked for another
Triton>  I agree RH the enotions that we use here are as strong or stronger than Rt since we must use our thoughts and dreams and imagination to keep our releationships going
Nita's e~t>  kneeling quietly by Mistress
Netolio>  Nita... did you know that you two would be close friends from the first time you met?
Triton>  hello et
Nita>  pet and I met as Kathy and Nita...she told me the first day about her illness...and she expected me to turn from her...I held her instead...and we knew that a bond would grow
jen*******>  Master has always said that he and I have talked about deeper things in a shorter period of time than a couple does in r/t in a much longer period of time...I believe the emotions can run higher in a relationship when it takes place online
Nita>  <leaning down to hug et> hello sweetie...
Triton>  The anonimity of the computer does that
princess>  I think that emotions can be high in both places with the right person
Nita's e~t>  Hugging Mistress
Red Hawk>  I agree... jen... I also approached subjects that would have taken me much longer in real life....
Nita's e~t>  Hi Triton
princess>  rt takes a level of trust and intimacy that is not required here
Nita>  I think it is easier because you don't have to deal with the outside detractions...pet never cared if my dishes were done
princess>  doesn't mean it does not happen though... I have experienced it here
Triton>  Not required but expected here princess
byr the wat Hello princess
princess>  well Triton... intimacy occurs on varous levels
Nita>  oh princess....trust is mandatory here just as in rt
princess>  but it is different Nita
jen*******>  trust is all that we have here...if you get deeply involved with another, you have to trust that person with alot of info that you may speak about
swann>  how so princess ??
princess>  yes with info but not with your life
Red Hawk>  I suppose in v/t you could fake a lot......but to me, that would not feel right......
Nita>  you are trusting someone not to hurt you....the emotions are rt
princess>  the reality of BDSM is that it can be dangerous
I believe that the experience vt is exceptional... and have had it
Triton>  and that is where the trust comes in either RT or VT princess
princess>  it is not as dangerous vt...there is a red x
Red Hawk>  princess... do you mean emotionally or physically dangerous? or both?
jen*******>  do you not open your heart here, princess?
Nita>  I doubt if there are many here that turns off the emotions when they turn off the computer
princess>  jen opening your heart and being bound and tied..rt are different
Blue Rose~>  so true princess you can always x em if it gets to rough for you in real life there is no red x
princess>  I am not trying to disagree... I am just suggesting that there is a difference
jen*******>  we are talking about emotions, not bondage
princess>  well there are emotions surrounding bondage
jen*******>  yes, but I believe we are talking of the other...the emotions that run through your heart
Nita>  you are right jen....and I don't think there is much difference vt or rt when it comes to hurt
Red Hawk>  can emotions be dangerous?
princess>  the relationship I have had here is one of the most emotionally fulfilling of my lifetime... with Chance
Triton>  or as Nita said " The Sighs That Bind"
both are as painfull as the other
Nita>  RH....emotions can be very dangerous....they can destroy lives
jen*******>  no difference at all and if anything, my heart hurts the most when I have to turn off the computer every night...it hurts me to say goodbye for the night to my friends or to Master
Triton>  Emotions ARE dangerous
Red Hawk>  .... yes, I know... Nita..... and that is why I feel it is very important to be true and trusting
princess>  the relationships here are only as good as the integrity and commitment of the people involved
luckily for us most are high on those dimensions
Red Hawk>  right princess.... well put...
swann>  that is true v/t as well as r/t princess
Nita>  <stroking et's soft hair> et and I both felt the loss of pet greatly
princess>  yes... absolutely
jen*******>  the relationships are much stronger here than in vt because of the many hurdles that need to be crossed
sorry, meant to say, stronger here than in rt
Triton>  so then it still come back to the honesty intefrity and reapect princess if you have it here and use it here then it should contnue into RT
princess>  jen but you have both
jen*******>  how so?
Triton>  intergrity and respect sorry
Nita's e~t>  sad eyes
Red Hawk>  there is one advantage though....here in cyber you have a very nice support group and people help each other a lot.....
princess>  I think that the jump to rt is not ... as easy... as some assume it witll be
the one you love jen... *smile*
Triton>  NO I think the jump to RT is a hell of a jump and not sure how many could REALLY handle it
Netolio>  princess... yes, jen and I have both, but it would be a whole lot easier if we were together r/t 24/7.
princess>  many more than you expect Triton...
swann>  princess ...i have met many of my friends from the v/t .....and found that id you choose carefully it can be done.....n
jen*******>  yes, I do have both with my Master, but would not have had it had it not been the hurdles crossed here first
princess>  I agree Net... that is my point...there is an additional dimension rt
Nita>  it is easy to love someone here and not have to pick up their dirty socks....the mundane is missing and only the excitement is here
princess>  well put Nita
dez~Mesmer>  That I agree with Nita..
Red Hawk>  right Nita... and no money worries either....
princess>  and you can also be the person you always wanted to be here
Netolio>  True... but the simple act of being able to touch someone can make the difference.
princess>  it is a place for exploration
sun~~Cimme>  but, how do you know when to take the step from v/t to r/t?
princess>  for some that added dimension is possible...the real touch...and for others it is not...but I agree that the emotional attachment does not depend on the physical touch
it is a different step for each person
Red Hawk>  the physical contact is strong though... and that is missing v/t
Nita>  who knows that the person you are holding isn't wearing the white filmy gown or the tuxedo...giggle...but they probably have on a grundgie sweat suit
Triton>  and how quickly should you take those steps princess
princess>  depends... my vt Master always said that most of BDSM was mental...and I felt his touch...trust me
Nita>  but as was brought up last time RH....your mind can bring some of the physical to you
Nita's e~t>  grinning...always a sweat suit Mistress
princess>  I think that only the people involved can decide when or if to go rt
Triton>  Never a Tux
hardly ever
swann>  LOL
Nita>  dang et....and I thought you were always naked for me....smile
princess>  always a white dress...*giggle*
Triton>  see thers one down the drain
Red Hawk>  true Nita... some of the physical... but there is a lot in a "real" touch....
Triton>  another dream shot in the ass
Nita's e~t>  wink..
Nita>  hummm that is where toys come in to 'play'
princess>  yes and many use toys vt... well rt with vt
Netolio>  The "body language" is missing in v/t and that is something that has taken me a while to get used to.
Triton>  and I miss the ability to see into a person's eyes
swann>  i think each of us has been reading the web while going in and saying oh oh oh at the appropriate times with somebody that we just don't care enough about....but when you have touched at the level of the mind......this is something so different
Triton>  that window of their soul
Nita>  and sometimes you don't need the physical to sooth the need....I think most of the subs here have sat on my lap when needed
Netolio>  exactly Triton... or see thier smile, frown, and other gestures that are so important in communication.
Nita's e~t>  didn't want to give away all our secrets...Mistress
Red Hawk>  Net... true... one needs to describe bodylanguage... and that is not always easy....
princess>  the emotional attachement most of us have with each other is greater than I have with many rt
Triton>  there may come i time I need that lap to nita
dez~Mesmer>  but that is where a video camera can change that..
you can look into someones eyes..
Red Hawk>  swann.... that is an excellent point... there is a notion of "playing" and then comes a point where you really bond emotionally....
Nita>  smile to Triton...
Triton>  and that is when the trust and respect comes in
swann>  i have been up all night trying to get an email to somebody
cause it was important that i do as ordered...
Netolio>  dez... that is coming and quickly. I can't wait for the day when everyone has one. :)
Nita>  I would like to share something that shows how deep a bond can be.....
dez~Mesmer>  I do have one Netolio Sir..
Triton>  Please do Nita
princess>  I know that I am thankful for this place... for some it is the endpoint and for others the beginning of the journey
dez~Mesmer>  Mesmer sees my eyes
jen*******>  I have had more people here in this 'family' show concern over my illness than I did with my rt families and believe me, I have a very LARGE rt family...the emotions here are true...no, you can't see the expressions on the faces, but I can feel the love come through the screen
Triton>  lucky Mesmer
dez~Mesmer>  lucky dez
Triton>  that to
*smile*
dez~Mesmer>  It does help with the body language I must admit
smiling at Triton Sir..
Netolio>  dez... you are closing the gap between r/t and v/t using that I would think.
Triton>  makes for a whole new experience
dez~Mesmer>  very very very much so..
princess>  yes and the phones do that as well
dez~Mesmer>  not sure?
Triton>  except ofr that 10 lbs they talk about
Netolio>  Nita... go ahead please!
dez~Mesmer>  voice is good..but visual is really nice
Nita>  Not many know that I lost a daughter to cancer almost two years ago.....pet knew and we talked about it alot....she knew I was there when my daughter died and pet and I talked about death....about pet's death....until about 4 a.m. and two boxes of tissues....that is an emotional bond!!
Triton>  wheww
dez~Mesmer>  thats okay too Triton Sir..*smile*
princess>  *smiling softly at Nita*
we all miss pet
swann>  *squeezing Nita's hand*
Triton>  *a gentle smile to Nita*
Nita>  how many of us could sit with someone face to face and ask what would be happening when the time came?
Triton>  Nita I just did with My grand father
dez~Mesmer>  okay..see you soon..
Triton>  although he was 94 it was hard for mr to let go
Nita>  There is no one in my life that I could do that with rt....
princess>  I did that with my grandmother before she died... was sooo hard to do
Blue Rose~>  i feel for you i lost my grandmother of cancer :( about a year and a half ago she was like my mother she raised me Nita:( *shedding a tear for Nita's pain
Triton>  < would not know how to react if I had to watch my son>
swann>  how many others will sit with you all night as you cry over any pain...i know here i have had more support and caring from my v/t family
Red Hawk>  Nita... you found.... and then tragically lost a very good friend in pet........... {{{hugging you}}}
swann>  when r/t friends just said don't worry
Nita>  no RH....pet still has a place in my heart...and she always will
Red Hawk>  Do you all think that the "caring between Dom/me and sub" has something to do with how people support each other here?
Triton>  r/t friends have a hard time listenig to your problems swann
MISBI((sha>  i do RH
Triton>  I believe that it has everything to do with it
Nita>  I think it is an extended family
princess>  not sure it is only BDSM relationships.... think vt relationships in general are intense
Netolio>  Nita... I'm sure you made pet's passing as easy as possible for her. I'm sure it was very difficult for you both.
Triton>  but other vt types are not as trusting and respectful of you as we may be princess
Nita>  I still hear her 'safe dreams' when I sign off Net....
princess>  not sure I agree there Triton
swann>  not all in bdsm are either Sir
princess>  have lots of vt relationships of different sorts and they are all very close
Netolio>  Nita... that's beautiful! <warm smile>
Triton>  Well it is waht I have found in many of these chat rooms
princess>  I was not talking about chat rooms... *smile*
but I would guess it depends on where you go
Triton>  many shallow people only lookimg for themselves
Nita>  I do not waste my time with ppl that are not honest....and it doesn't take long for it to show up
princess>  well that is what the sex rooms are all about... *smile*
Triton>  of course I have found a few others who are Really Really interested in you and what you feel
Not just SEX princess
princess>  some of those places are just for sex
swann>  three weeks ago a v/t friend made comments that made me think she was suicidal...
Triton>  and if I go to them thats all I'd expect
swann>  others spoke to me and felt the same way
princess>  yup... if you need directions I can tell you some... *giggle*
Triton>  LOL
Blue Rose~>  yes the reason i like this room so much oter than of course the bdsm but i mean everyone hearis genuin there is no bull shit we truly are like a family here at least in my opinion:)
Nita>  Triton....I was in the hospital in Dec.....soooo many of these people here called me....only one rt friend came to visit...
Triton>  thanx I have my own map *eg*
princess>  Blue Rose... I agree with you completely
swann>  we spent so much time trying to track her down r/t and get to her......here you 'HEAR" what others are saying
princess>  we have all had experiences of trying to help our vt friends rt
mb~~SirJ's>  oh YES Patrick is great
Blue Rose~>  yes most definatly there is a common bond and every one genuanly feels for everyone else
Nita>  <hugging all my friends>
jen*******>  many here know that last year was not a good year for me and my trust-level of others was zero until I found this place...I have found many wonderful and sincere friends here...many know of what I have been through and many here would give their left arm (looks at Master and Rebel) to help me if ever I truly needed them quickly enough...I don't have a rt friend that has offered as much help as my friends that I have here
Triton>  I have opened myself to many Vt friends who are in need
princess>  *hugging Nita and filling her cheek with soft kisses*
Red Hawk>  ... and that common bond is a very strong attraction... at least for me.....
Nita>  and....my sweet et called me everyday to keep everyone else up to date
Blue Rose~>  for the most part anyways i mean we still have some folks that may not get along the greatest but hell what family does everyone get along perfectly in i ask you?
Nita's e~t>  smiling
Triton>  A Kiss on your Cheek Nita
princess>  some of us cannot tell our rt friends what we can tell our vt friends.
Nita>  ummm which one Triton? giggle
Triton>  And I truly Hope That All You wish for in life comes your way
You pick it Ma'am
dez~Mesmer>  I dont know..sometimes I have come into conference and not felt comfortable..other times I have come in and felt very comfortable..
princess>  oh dez... you should always feel comfortable... you are well loved
Triton>  In Macy's window if thats what you want
MISBI((sha>  moving up to Nita and giving her a gentle hug and a kotc
Nita>  well...I can scold here when needed and I wouldn't do that in rt
dez~Mesmer>  princess..I am just new here...I don't know a lot of people and sometimes find it difficult to get to know people here..because most do know each other..
Nita's e~t>  nodding...
Nita>  this room is much more comfortable than the other one....everyone is here because of the warmth
Triton>  Ah dez i'm very new and have found this to be a most welcome home
Blue Rose~>  well to me you guys are my faithfull friends so to say i mean my best friend unfortunatly i only have time to talk to like once a month or so because of conflicting scedules but some of you i speak with nearly every night:)
Nita>  ohhh dez....please don't feel like that....I am always glad to see you
princess>  dez...then we have been remiss... I apologize for that sweet one
Red Hawk>  dez.... please talk to us any time you feel uncomfortable....
Triton>  And dea I felt your pain this past week and am Happy that you are fine now
dez~Mesmer>  I have seen alot ofthe names regularly..but I have not spoken to many..and it is not on anyones doing but my own...I have always been more the quit type..
Nita>  <looking at et> and sweetie...you know they have missed you here
swann>  dez and here i thought you were one of the "old folks" in here....and looked to you as a guide
Nita's e~t>  Yes...Mistress i know..
Triton>  who swann ME
dez~Mesmer>  I am very shy swann....I would tend to leave moreso than stay..not knowing what to really say...
and not to pick on anyone..but I have said hello to REbel many times...and don't receive a hello back..and sometimes feel it is me..
Nita>  gee dez....should have been here last night....it was pun night
Blue Rose~>  hey dez do you lurk like myself sometimes i just dont know what to say ya know
Triton>  LOL
princess>  that is because Reb is often not here
hehehe
Triton>  dwz Rebel is not always paying attention here
MISBI((sha>  the fishing puns
Triton>  dez too
Nita>  alot of time Reb is not really here dez....only his name
swann>  *smile* dez and i am the same....just sit and hope somebody says hi...unless i get silly of course
dez~Mesmer>  I think this meeting is a good thing to let many people speek what they feel..that is all I am doing right now..it is unusual for me..
Red Hawk>  .... I know the problem of not knowing what to say well...
princess>  we started by doing very well...but some of us... ME ...got very busy...will make an effort to make this place even warmer
dez~Mesmer>  I do not mean to take centre here..I am sorry..just expressing what I felt..
Nita's e~t>  leaning against Mistress...
Nita>  RH... you don't have to say well...just say...giggle
swann>  dez you are speaking for others too...only you may not know it
Triton>  princees you have allowed the right people her we all seem to get along like a REAL BIG FAMILY
princess>  dez...the feedback is invaluable
Red Hawk>  lol...Nita....
jen*******>  I have noticed that alot of people here are afraid of speaking to the Dom/me's here...I can tell you that without Rebel, Ash and some of the others, I would be lost...because they are Dom/me's don't mean that we can never speak to them about things that are bothering us...BDSM goes out the window when another is troubled over something...trust me, I have bent Rebel's ear many times when my Master wasn't here...we are all a family here
princess>  the goal was to create a place of acceptance...where all felt comfortable
Nita>  <fingers curling in et's hair> et is a quiet one too dez...
Triton>  you are so right GIGGLES
dez~Mesmer>  thats all I have to say...*dezeray closes her mouth*
Triton>  and the sub's are always a pleasure to talk to
Blue Rose~>  yes any one is welcome to ask me anything hm i dont know what kind of rep i have around here but i promise i dont bite not hard anyways;)
princess>  princess...walks to dez... and uses her finger to slightly part her lips and gives her a soft kiss... thanks sweetie!
Nita>  <whispering to dez> I feel like the old lady of the conference....but i still enjoy it
jen*******>  and of course, Nita...another great person to talk to when something is bothering you
Red Hawk>  .... in this room I will answer any page...... in the other room... well that is a different story...
dez~Mesmer>  you are very intelligent princess and sweet..thank you..I do enjoy listening to you..*smile*
Triton>  and I can offer a strong shoulder if needed
MISBI((sha>  most knows that i am always willing to help and give advice
Netolio>  I have heard so people say that this place is ofter too "cliche-ish"... we must all remember to welcome the new ones into our family as well.
princess>  that is the nicest thing about this conference... you don't need to fight the pages
dez~Mesmer>  I would love to sometime Nita Ma'am..have the opportunity to speak to you..
Triton>  Net you jen did that to me
jen*******>  sorry, a bit slow in my following conversation, so my posts are not falling where they should (giggles)
princess>  it was intended to be a bit clickish Net... *smile*
Nita>  anytime dez....I love meeting new people
princess>  not an open conference
Triton>  oh really GIGGLES
Netolio>  Triton... thanks!
princess>  *grinning*
Netolio>  princess... yes, but new invites are appearing and we need to help them feel accepted as well. <grin>
Triton>  and she breaks then so well too Net
princess>  I agree Net... and each that brings in new people should introduce them to a few others... and it will grow
Red Hawk>  I agree Net... and I think we should offer to help and mentor new arrivals....
swann>  but i still think we have that same responsibility in the other conf as well....dez was the first of the regulars to ever speak to me.....
jen*******>  (looks at Triton) what do I do so well, Sir?
swann>  i was starting to think my deoderant let me down
Netolio>  Yes, without new people coming in the conference would be doomed before it starts.
Rebel>  well i hate to interject here but as the conversation seems to have shifted.. i would like to thank nita for her time.. and the log of this discussion will be added to the homepage and emailed to the people on the members list..
Triton>  break them jen "GIGGLES"
Nita>  gee I mentored Triton and Vince....giggle
dez~Mesmer>  thanks swann...but I don't have a clue what to say half the time..so I just greet people..*giggle*
Triton>  yes you did Nita
swann>  thank you Nita Ma'am
Netolio>  Nita... thanks for sharing your thoughts and openning your heart again!
Triton>  just speak from you heart dez
princess>  *smiling softly at Reb*
swann>  hahah that night she did!
Triton>  thanx Rebel
jen*******>  hmmmmmm, break? not yet, but it can be arranged, Sir (giggles)
dez~Mesmer>  Yes..it was a pleasure to meet you Nita Ma'am..thank you..*smile*
Nita>  yes...it is hard to keep on a subject for too long....but if any of you would like to talk again....feel free
princess>  thank-you Nita
Triton>  and I thought that was Mistress Sue's line of work
Red Hawk>  Nita...... thank you so much......
jen*******>  Thank you Nita, Ma'am (smiles)
Nita>  <giving dez a welcome hug> glad you are here dear
Nita's e~t>  squeezing Mistress
dez~Mesmer>  Thank you for making me feel welcome Nita Ma'am..*smile*
Nita>  <leaning down to snuggle the dickens out of et> love you sugar
Nita's e~t>  love You too ...snuggling back]
Rebel>  if anyone has a topic they would like to open to discussion here please let del know.. and we can arrage it.. it is your conference and we all have to take our sresponsibilities for it..
Triton>  Will do Rebel
princess>  think we need a practical technique discussion... *grin*
Rebel>  and please excuse the typo'd ...lol
dez~Mesmer>  Bye the way...Hello Rebel Sir..*giggle*
Blue Rose~>  (((((((((Nita))))))))))))))))))))
Rebel>  hi dez..
dez~Mesmer>  lol
Triton>  see dwz
jen*******>  and remember, vote me as the RECRUITER OF THE YEAR...I am glad that I got Triton, Phoebus, swann and others over here yesterday (giggles)
Nita>  Also......ahem....there has been some interest shown in an all womens chat.....if you would be interested you can email me at nitaone@intellex.com
princess>  Nita... I am very interested in that one
Triton>  Me too jen
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