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| Rebel> | well .. seems alot of ppl are here this evening.. |
| mb~~SirJ's> | ahhh ASH last time that crop came out it was inj MY hands<grin> |
| sun~~Cimme> | *laughing* |
| MISBI (sha> | hugs sharra |
| Red Hawk> | brb |
| Ashtarot> | Rebel ... Rebel ... Rebel ! |
| ~pierced&p> | welcome Rebel..Sir..*s* |
| sharra~~MI> | HeWell, you could tattoo "mb was here" on chantel's butt, and "chantel was here" on mb's butt?? |
| mb~~SirJ's> | REBEL...welcome |
| shelbee> | ******** |
| sharra~~MI> | <hugs MISBI> |
| MISBI (sha> | welcome Rebel |
| katie> | master! |
| Rebel> | heelo ash |
| sun~~Cimme> | Hello Rebel sir. |
| Rebel> | hi mb |
| shelbee> | ***APPLAUDING******** |
| chantel> | aahh looking innocently... i thought with kid gloves ..no crop and a don't do it next time, no ash? that is nothow?? |
| mb~~SirJ's> | oh sharra wait til we sisters get you in the lockeer room<laughing and kissing sharra softly> |
| Rebel> | hello misbi |
| delilah> | <applauding> |
| Rebel> | hello sun.. |
| STIG> | Hi Rebel |
| katie> | i have to go back to work soon ... is someone logging tonight? |
| shelbee> | Hi Rebel Sir |
| sharra~~MI> | Just let me show you MY tattoo, mb! |
| Rebel> | im not used to speaking in conf.. so please excuse me any
mistakes. hi shelbee. |
| ~pierced&p> | *snuggling and wiggling on MasterPride's lap*waiting with anticipation for the discussion to begin* |
| chantel> | yeah sharra giving glance of hmph her way.. |
| mb~~SirJ's> | hmmmmm<egerly looking at sharra> love to look hmmm<lick lips> |
| roxie> | Hello Rebel Sir <smile> |
| Rebel> | it just seemed fitting for a first discussion to be. |
| jen> | Hello Rebel, Sir |
| Rebel> | on sub and slave.. |
| sharra~~MI> | <grins and turns attention to Rebel> |
| Pride Mast> | <<Slapping p&p's butt>> Get me a beam and coke before he gets rolling. |
| Rebel> | and of course del recruited me. |
| ~pierced&p> | Yes MasterPride..Sir..*s* |
| Ashtarot> | hehehe |
| STIG> | *LOL* |
| chantel> | well you have had many... oops.. |
| Ashtarot> | will be a del-ightful evening |
| shelbee> | smiling at del....... good choice........... LOL chantel |
| Rebel> | i have been in these conferences.. for over 7 months now.. |
| ~pierced&p> | *going to bar...mixing rum/coke*returning to kneel before PM and offering it* |
| princess> | *listening intently to Rebel* |
| Rebel> | and the one ques.. always asked is the difference between sub
and slave.. the difference's are great... |
| Pride Mast> | <<Taking drink>> I'll take it, but beam is a wiskey, little darling. |
| Ashtarot> | PLEASE people - do Rebel and yourself a favour - let him talk and don't interrupt him |
| Rebel> | a sub.. is by defination subordinate and inferior to submit is to leave to the judgement of another.. this is the exchange of power we all speak of.. |
| clair> | ~and with the words INFERIOR.....i head to the door~ |
| ~pierced&p> | *nodding in agreement with clair* |
| Rebel> | it is a a defintion clair.. |
| Red Hawk> | I think rebel was referring to the dictionary definition... not our definition... |
| Rebel> | in the dictionary.. |
| princess> | ok... not agreeing with Reb either but listening before I speak |
| Rebel> | what it means is us is different.. |
| steph©> | too tired to run |
| Rebel> | a sub is the greatest thing to a dom. |
| princess> | *nodding in agreement now* |
| STIG> | here here |
| ~pierced&p> | yes |
| steph©> | *big smile of pride* |
| Rebel> | they give themselves.. and in so doing are in truth the stronger.. as it takes strength to give to another all that you ar.. |
| mb~~SirJ's> | nodding |
| princess> | *softly smiling* |
| MISBI (sha> | nodding in agreement |
| Rebel> | a slave is different .. a slave is a person possesed bt another having no personal freedom.. |
| jen> | <-----hates that word |
| Rebel> | and there is a bigger responsibility with a slave.. a slave looks to the master for everything.. |
| princess> | is this the Dom perspective Reb? |
| Rebel> | it is sub that we will find here as they will always have the power to turn off the machine.. or change master's or ask for release. |
| mb~~SirJ's> | that depends on the commitment to their word Rebel |
| chantel> | ..or toss stuff into fire.. |
| steph©> | heheh chantel |
| shelbee> | or to some one elses word..... |
| Rebel> | the commitment is still not as binding mb.. |
| princess> | many rt slaves have a contract with specific causes for release |
| mb~~SirJ's> | that i do not beoieve |
| Rebel> | when yor a slave you are property.. |
| Red Hawk> | let's get back to the difference between the two... I am really interested.... |
| mb~~SirJ's> | yes and so does a VT |
| Pride Mast> | I hate to ask, but could we please hold personal opinions and questions until after his speech, please? |
| princess> | Rebel it is all a matter of context |
| mb~~SirJ's> | nodding to REBEL |
| Red Hawk> | ------ let Rebel speak... then we discuss later.... ok? |
| Rebel> | well now tht we know the difference .. we need to realize our limitations.. |
| ~pierced&p> | is there a happy medium between the two tho ? |
| princess> | needing clarification sorry.. is the difference the level of commitment? |
| Rebel> | we are Dom/Dommes and subs |
| sharra~~MI> | I think that it is the level of power over? |
| Rebel> | princess in all point of fact it is an impossibilty to have a slave in vt.. |
| princess> | by your definition right? |
| Rebel> | well think about it.. i couldnt trully possess you or anyone on vt/.. |
| ~pierced&p> | very true... |
| princess> | depends |
| Rebel> | you may submit to me .. but how could i trully own you ?? |
| steph©> | not in the truest sense |
| princess> | you could own me vt |
| Red Hawk> | what does truely mean in this context.... not physically ...for sure.. .but mentally? |
| Rebel> | owning you v/t is submission.. not possession.. |
| princess> | i would say so RH depends.. |
| STIG> | for myself I do not want a slave ...for me its wrong but I know that is my view only ...and somepeople like this...slave and master... I think a person should have a mind and feelings of there own and should be able to express this with out fear of retrebution... |
| princess> | for many of the people here the experiences are very powerful... not for all but for many |
| steph©> | < agrees with Rebel there can be no true skave in VT |
| Rebel> | could you own a car or a house vt ?? |
| steph©> | slave either |
| jen> | <------agrees completely with STIG |
| Rebel> | would it trully be your possession ?? |
| sun~~Cimme> | But, you do not give your heart and mind to a car. |
| princess> | Reb there are ways... it is not easy... but a part can be owned... in my humble opinion |
| Rebel> | that is still submission princess .. not posseion |
| [P] shelbee> | Smiling is this a learning Discussoin or a debate??? :( |
| Nita> | I believe a part can be given.... |
| steph©> | only mentally princess and emotionally |
| Rebel> | possession is taking it home.. not returning it to the lot.. |
| STIG> | we all can say we own some thing but in fact we own nothing we take nothing with us when we leave this earth so we only borrow and use the things we think we own |
| Ashtarot> | probably both - LOL |
| princess> | I agree that rt is VERY different...and cannot be compared |
| Blue Rose> | good evening all sorry im late:) |
| Red Hawk> | if you define it as "possession" then I do agree... cannot be done in v/t |
| princess> | in terms of the physical and the whole package...but the mental aspect of BDSM is extremely important...and we can have that here |
| mb~~SirJ's> | but the mind creates reality...so if i know in my mind i am owned ..then i am |
| ~pierced&p> | *nodding* |
| princess> | *smiling softly to mb* |
| Rebel> | its true you can submit here.. but possesion ??? |
| steph©> | so is it true that in VT one can only be a slave through their
emotin;s and what ever physical thing they derieve but can be a sub fully and completly |
| Red Hawk> | .... and emotions... as steph said... can be sooooooo powerful... what is the difference then... |
| princess> | is this just a difference in definitions...a circular argument |
| clair> | ~thinking this whole thing is arguing literal definitons vs. figurative ones.............."A rose by any other name" |
| Rebel> | emotions are powerful which is the reason so many must be careful.. |
| jen> | it is impossible to be a slave VT! with all of us having families outside of this computer, how can one call themselves a slave of another that was met on-line? You can't have it |
| Rebel> | but in being able to DECIDE to leave is a submission.. |
| steph©> | subnission to what Rebel |
| princess> | can't you be a slave if you are not 24/7?... is it a matter of where you physically are or how you feel |
| chantel> | agree with jen...although my thoughts and all my spare time have at times been possessed..from an online master |
| Red Hawk> | ok... I buy that definition... if you can decide then you have a will and then your are really submissive... |
| Rebel> | submission to a Dom .. steph.. |
| sun~~Cimme> | *agreeing with chantel* |
| STIG> | I could not respect a slave as they have have no respect for themseleves....a sub is someone that has respect for both themselevs and their master |
| princess> | I disagree...think slaves respect themselves.. |
| Red Hawk> | ... agreeing with Stig.... well put... |
| jen> | a slave has no voice, no say in anything |
| princess> | slaves are not braindead! |
| MISBI (sha> | agrees with Stig |
| mb~~SirJ's> | i was married to a fantom for 11 yrs..no reaity to it at all...but IT was real because i believed it was....til i found the truth.....the same applys here....if i believe then it is...and YOU are 24/7 slave even VT by the MASTER directing YOU so |
| Rebel> | without mutual respect you NOTHING..... |
| steph©> | a sub if i have understood this correctly is one who is willing to give of them selve's willingly and completly |
| Red Hawk> | princess... can you please elaborate and tell us what you
thing.... err = think... |
| Netolio> | STIG... a slave has decided to be that way by choise! They are slaves because they allow it! To say that slaves have no respect for themselves is inaccurate. |
| mb~~SirJ's> | agreeing with princess |
| steph©> | for the pleasure of their Dom/Domme |
| STIG> | this my view and I don't want to change anyones view on it...its how I see it.. |
| steph©> | and for themselves |
| Rebel> | correct steph.. |
| ~pierced&p> | yes....I agree...slaves have self respect....and are not brain dead |
| Pride Mast> | Slaves are only giving up the right to chose thier on paths in doing things, not thier personalities. |
| princess> | I think that a slave is someone who is very strong and chooses a lifestyle to serve completely... it demands strength and trust... more than any of us know |
| Rebel> | your partly right princess.. |
| STIG> | why have the subs here not become slaves if there is in real difference then? |
| jen> | is that not what a sub is, princess/ |
| Rebel> | a slave with no master or mistress is not a slave.. |
| steph©> | <---- agrees with STIG could never be a slave to much mind problem with its conotation |
| Netolio> | princess... are you saying then that being slave is a matter of "degree"? |
| princess> | yes PM well a DOm without a slave or sub is really no Dom either, Reb |
| Rebel> | agreed princess. |
| mb~~SirJ's> | and if anyone has worked in metal instatutions.....you would see that the mind controls the reality...........and the mind set shapes our actions |
| beauty> | disagree Rebel.....i am always a slave, in my heart and soul....whether i've a Dom to serve or not..... |
| steph©> | as am i beauty |
| princess> | I think that labels are useless and that each person creates their own BDSM context...each with their own needs |
| beauty> | just because i don't serve someone doesn't mean my self changes |
| princess> | some need the feeling of slavery ... others submission but the actions... are very similar |
| mb~~SirJ's> | agreed beauty |
| jen> | now I agree with princess |
| princess> | there are levels of submission... look at the subnation homepage for a great discussion |
| Netolio> | <----- agrees with beauty |
| sharra~~MI> | I think that we could continue to argue about the meanings of terms and how they apply to us.... |
| beauty> | agreed princess |
| Red Hawk> | ... princess... I like the notion of each finding their own way and space.... |
| steph©> | we're back to the 6 degress of seperation then princess |
| chantel> | to give of myself totally and to want to serve yet tohave the freedom to mees up to a degree is my perception to being a sub.. to love and laugh as well as serve.. |
| mb~~SirJ's> | we are sharra...some of us have found slavery here....a need to be a slave |
| steph©> | either in RT or VT |
| princess> | i have to tell you that my own personal recent experience has
shown me the clear differences between vt and rt something that I did not fully understand |
| sharra~~MI> | but the important issue is how we go about forming relationships that meet the needs of both (or more) people involved...does that make THEM happy! |
| princess> | and much of it had to do with the depth of trust that is
required rt rt is dangerous... vt... has its pitfalls but there is a red x |
| jen> | Excuse me, but I have a question? |
| beauty> | there is a big difference, princess you are right....and its been hard for me to get used to this cyber stuff |
| STIG> | go ahead jen |
| Netolio> | yes jen? |
| chantel> | happiness at the core is the key issue for all concerned..sub, slave or dom/domme |
| Red Hawk> | princess/beauty.... tell us more about your experiences..... please |
| mb~~SirJ's> | and there is also a side to VT that strenghtens the mental emotional...cuz the physical is missing......... |
| princess> | *blushing* |
| Rebel> | i come from 15 r/t and this cyber is difficult to adjust to . beauty i agree.. |
| princess> | *nodding in agreement with mb* |
| jen> | Because I do not call myself a slave, does that mean that I do not belong here? Isn't it just how a person relates to the context that is out there? |
| mb~~SirJ's> | ask jen |
| shelbee> | slave is being totally possesed .........totally controlled..24 /7 sexually... physically.. (food .. clothing...potty breaks....hmmmmmm big slave On-line phone bill!!!!......no choices just....instructions...........Im a sub....... <G> totally devoted...on VT........*smiling* |
| Ashtarot> | no jen - that is not the way you should walk |
| princess> | yes, I agree jen that is the reason I think labels are not
necessary useful just like each Dom has different preference...each sub or slave is very different |
| jen> | excuse me, Ash? |
| mb~~SirJ's> | no jen.......tthere is room for both...a slave gives control odf all aspects..property...life style etc...a sub gives emotional and mental control but retains the property and life style |
| shelbee> | slaves have no safe words????????????????? no choices.....???????? |
| princess> | shelbee some subs do not either |
| steph©> | and it is because of all this that i'm so damned confusses lol |
| STIG> | jen I can in looking for a sub not a slave..princess your right....jen I feel there is room for everyone |
| mb~~SirJ's> | that depneds on the MASTER shelbee |
| chantel> | then they are slaves princess.. |
| Nita> | I think it is very important to build a relationship on trust and honesty.....and each person is online because they truely care and love each other.....and care and love is the same vt and rt |
| jen> | then mb, you cannot be a slave VT...you are a sub...a slave is one who is 24/7 |
| steph©> | because they want to be chantel |
| princess> | chantel it is a matter of what they think they are not what we
think we are we are not talking about limits |
| mb~~SirJ's> | if you OWN a fine race horse...don't YOU care for it as priceless and care for it accordingly? |
| Netolio> | jen... you can be sub 24/7 and not be a slave! |
| MISBI (sha> | well put Nita |
| Pride Mast> | Okay, just a little here, point of interest being that, a sub, gives thier personal pleasure pain to thier master, but a slave gives all of themselves to the Owner, a deeper commitment to another than a subs. |
| princess> | to truly submit... is a difficult thing...are we suggesting that submission is easier than slavery...depends on the perspective |
| steph©> | but it is not a slave |
| chantel> | no but to have no choice..there is room for choice in a sub..the only choice a slave has is that of which to become one |
| steph©> | it's also not a human being mb |
| STIG> | chentel...yes very true |
| princess> | once again i think it depends on the relationship... even if you are a slave... you know that you are cared for |
| beauty> | i do not understand why there has to be a 'slave' and a 'sub' designation...both want to serve, but as princess said each person has their own preferences...just like some of us like pain, some don't, etc....but then it does make for good discussions :) |
| mb~~SirJ's> | steph i am talking in the concept of pwnership |
| steph©> | i know mb |
| STIG> | princess are you sure of that? |
| jen> | here here beauty! |
| MISBI (sha> | a sub has the freedom to do other things whereas a slave must wait for the command |
| princess> | I think it depends on the needs of the person and while some
would find slavery intolerable...others NEED it so yes I am sure |
| mb~~SirJ's> | and there can be a set of standards...or commands that a VT slave follows...like standing orders in medicine |
| chantel> | i think the problem may lie in expectations if a Dom /domme is looking for a slave and not a sub.. the relationship starts with miscommunication from the beginning |
| steph©> | then we're talking about degrees being in the mind so we can call our selves what we pleas |
| Pride Mast> | But then comes the problem of some Dom/mes forsaking that trust to try to turn the sub into a slave, by treatment alone. |
| Red Hawk> | question: does being a slave mean you do not have choices? |
| steph©> | either slaves or subs |
| sharra~~MI> | It has to do with initiative..,subs can, slaves can't. |
| mb~~SirJ's> | yes steph...what emotionally fits you. |
| Pride Mast> | Correct sharra |
| STIG> | I have a sub but more important I have a friend...a slave is a drain |
| steph©> | ok then it seems reasonable to believe that a slave is more committed to their own beliefs |
| chantel> | ithat is my interpretation RH.. |
| MISBI (sha> | yes steph |
| Nita> | oh yes STIG......that is the way I feel too.... |
| steph©> | and willing to let those beliefs lead their lives |
| mb~~SirJ's> | again it depends on the MASTER...for if the MASTER prises the mnd and intellegence of the slave then they utilizes that and encourages it |
| beauty> | i consider myself a slave if a title has to be used....i do not want to have choices BUT if i trust my Master deep enough i know he will not do anything which harms me physically or mentally.... |
| jen> | steph, a slave has NO choice, at all |
| princess> | why can't there be a continuum with degrees of submission...and each relationship...perhaps each scene moves along it |
| shelbee> | smiling........ wondering are there any slaves in here????????? looking for ANY hands?????? |
| beauty> | look above shelbee |
| Netolio> | Red Hawk... I believe that a slave has chosen to let the Dom/me make all the choices and doesn't want or expect to have any. |
| STIG> | no choice at all |
| jen> | <-----is NOT a slave and never will lose my voice! |
| sharra~~MI> | I don't know about that, steph...it seems that a slave is willing to reliquish all responsibility.... |
| steph©> | noe it would seem STIG |
| Pride Mast> | Bravo, Net, that was the best so far. |
| Red Hawk> | so Net.... there is only ONE choice for a slave.. the one to enter into the relationship |
| mb~~SirJ's> | yes Red Hawk |
| beauty> | correct |
| steph©> | and it is their last |
| chantel> | if i were a slave... i would neverbe punished for i would always behave so alas i am a sub.. |
| jen> | lol chantel |
| sharra~~MI> | *LOL* |
| MISBI (sha> | *LOL* |
| STIG> | *L* |
| Red Hawk> | chantel... you're in trouble... |
| steph©> | a submissive slave now there is a real committment |
| Netolio> | Red Hawk... yes, although they have complete trust in the Dom/me to make the right choices for them. |
| princess> | i think i think of myself as a bit of both |
| chantel> | hmmmm but a cute sub *smiling* |
| shelbee> | lol chantel............... |
| Pride Mast> | steph that doesn't follow, explain? |
| ~pierced&p> | hmmmmm thinking.... |
| STIG> | what committment they let everything be done for them only the choice is theirs |
| steph©> | was just reacting to chantel's statement |
| princess> | needing to run out for a few minutes but will be back |
| mb~~SirJ's> | k princess |
| shelbee> | ^^Å^^ ^^Å^^ ^^Å^^ ^^Å^^ angel sub...... |
| ~pierced&p> | sub definately....pensively thinkng about slave.... |
| Rebel> | princess a switch can never be a slave.. just a sub.. |
| Pride Mast> | Wait, define, a master, owner, Dom/me? |
| jen> | Master owns the slave |
| steph©> | me too want to take a long hot shower bye all |
| Red Hawk> | may I ask... what is the attracation to be a slave....vs... a sub? |
| Nita> | <saluting> sub Marine |
| Rebel> | the master takes full rsponsibility for the slave.. |
| steph©> | bye the way hiya Rebel Sir long time no see |
| mb~~SirJ's> | well STIG again that depends on the MASTER/slave.......ever read some of the slave accounts from ROME....the slave.....was amazing |
| Rebel> | hi steph.. lol |
| steph©> | kisses sweety |
| mb~~SirJ's> | Red Hawk i think it is one of securoty |
| shelbee> | PART TWO ------>- VT verses RT ????????? |
| steph©> | sorry have to go < waving as i walk out the door> |
| jen> | no, you can have security in both |
| ~pierced&p> | now is it also true that there are different levels of slave or sub? so that will put a whole new twist on it also |
| Red Hawk> | ...hmm |
| mb~~SirJ's> | safe dreams steph |
| Red Hawk> | security...hmmm |
| princess> | night steph |
| shelbee> | is there intermission... time for slaves to call there masters for a potty break <G> ;) |
| Nita> | gentle night steph |
| jen> | LOL |
| STIG> | I find myself having problems with being a dom I have feelings about what I do that sometime I find hard to do..I know that I must do these things but I care about what I do and this plays on my mind |
| ~pierced&p> | ;) |
| Netolio> | lol <grinning at shelbee> |
| Rebel> | lol shelbee.. |
| mb~~SirJ's> | true jen...but a slave has a need for deeper security |
| Red Hawk> | Rebel... time to call 5? |
| beauty> | boy i hate getting booted |
| Pride Mast> | Have a question, is there different levels of Domination? |
| princess> | well ... a more practical need perhaps mb sounds like it to me PM |
| mb~~SirJ's> | yes maybe thats that way it should be viewed |
| STIG> | PM I think so |
| princess> | a Dom has subs and a Master slaves???? |
| Rebel> | aten-hut, smoke 'em if you got 'em.. at ease... |
| STIG> | thanks Reb...*lighting up* |
| ~pierced&p> | *smoking* |
| Pride Mast> | But can you define the levels of it? |
| princess> | this is the same circular logic... it should be shades... nothing has to be black or white |
| sharra~~MI> | <grinning at the parts of her that are at attention!> |
| mb~~SirJ's> | joints ok Rebel???? |
| Red Hawk> | thanks... Rebel...<going to get a r/t drink> |
| Nita> | there are different levels of people.....period |
| jen> | Rebel, were you my Company Commander in Boot Camp? LOL |
| princess> | *smiling at Nita* |
| Blue Rose> | hello reb ive been enjoying the conf. and learning a little:) |
| Rebel> | lol mb.. just dont bogart.. |
| ~pierced&p> | *giggling* |
| princess> | we can tell you that all you big D's out there have very different styles |
| ~pierced&p> | yehaa...*passing joint to Rebel* |
| beauty> | right Nita, just as there are different levels in bdsm...there is no right or wrong....as long as no one is getting 'hurt' |
| mb~~SirJ's> | <paaing good oregon home gorwen> |
| STIG> | the level is what you and your sub agree on and it changes with different masters and subs |
| Pride Mast> | jen, no boot camp stories... |
| shelbee> | applauding the first half **clap**clap** clap**!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Giving Rebel a cold pepsi on ice.. did not spike it YET!!!!! |
| mb~~SirJ's> | yes STig |
| Nita> | <smiling> I think I have the only community lap..... |
| Rebel> | i already did shelbee..lol |
| Red Hawk> | beauty.... I agree.... there is room for many... as long noone gets hurt... |
| princess> | come on... it should be FUN |
| mb~~SirJ's> | excellent REBEL thanks<smile> |
| princess> | not easy but FUN |
| shelbee> | LOL.... rum????????????? and coke.. pepsi! LOL |
| mb~~SirJ's> | Nita is there room there for me???? |
| Red Hawk> | right princess... fun is very important.... |
| Rebel> | yup shelbee... |
| ~pierced&p> | well they say there are 9 levels of submissions....never heard about levels of Doms tho MasterPride Sir |
| sharra~~MI> | {{{{dez}}}} |
| Nita> | always mb.....<soft smile> |
| ~pierced&p> | ((((((((dez *hugs kotc*)))))) |
| chantel> | it is like marriage none are the same yet all based in the same reality |
| dezeray~~~> | Hello everyone..*smile* |
| sharra~~MI> | THEY? p&p?? |
| Rebel> | btw - anyone who has a topic for discussion or idea.. please speak to Ash and we will open the floor to you at a reasonable time.. |
| STIG> | I find that this is helping to find out more than just looking at homepages |
| Nita> | hiya dez |
| mb~~SirJ's> | qwold think to have balance p&p there would have to be 9 levels to the DOM...can not react the same to different levels of submission |
| sharra~~MI> | I agree STIG, Sir. |
| STIG> | Reb its only 3.00am here..*L* |
| Pride Mast> | But that is my point, I can point out, Demi's style/level, versus my style/level, is there something too it? |
| MISBI (sha> | i think the next should be the types of Dom/me |
| Rebel> | lol.. stig |
| princess> | much is accomplished with humor... *smiling and thinking of someone I hold very dear* |
| beauty> | *soft kiss* dez hello |
| dezeray~~~> | ((((((sharra))))..(((p&p))))) (((Nita Ma'am)))))) |
| shelbee> | I always prefered hand on experience over nose in a book........ !! <G> |
| ~pierced&p> | hmmmm very interesting point MasterPride Sir...*s* |
| STIG> | shelbee thats the way we really learn anything |
| Pride Mast> | Good morning dez |
| dezeray~~~> | (((((beauty)))))..*soft kiss in return*... |
| princess> | sure there is something to it PM...and some are more effective and others... but also depends on the needs of the sub |
| STIG> | hi dez |
| MISBI (sha> | hello dez:) |
| Rebel> | anyone who wishes can get a copy of the log of this discussion from Ash.. |
| Nita> | I tend to love with an open hand...... |
| dezeray~~~> | Good morning Pride Master Sir..*smile* |
| Red Hawk> | hey humor makes it fun.... |
| mb~~SirJ's> | <climbing into NITAS lap> oh NITA <kiss and hug and snuggleing into NITAS warmth> |
| dezeray~~~> | Hello STIG Sir... |
| jen> | Hello Nita, Ma'am (smile) |
| Pride Mast> | point taking, princess |
| dezeray~~~> | Hello MISBI Ma'am..*smile* |
| ~pierced&p> | hmmmmm |
| shelbee> | isn't that how we begin.. little tot learn to recite poems before they learn to READ them!!!! ;) |
| princess> | *smiling softly* |
| mb~~SirJ's> | dez((((((hugs)))))))JOY shared sister |
| Nita> | <wrapping my arms around mb> I am sooo glad my chair was moved in here |
| princess> | there is alot to learn from books shelbee |
| sharra~~MI> | Unfortunately, NITA, Ma'am...many of us love with an open hand here!!! <wicked grin> |
| mb~~SirJ's> | and feel then shelbee |
| dezeray~~~> | ((((((((((((mb)))))))) JOY shared sister... |
| MISBI (sha> | smiles at sharra |
| dezeray~~~> | Sorry for interrupting everyone.. |
| sharra~~MI> | <grins back at MISBI> |
| Nita> | hello jen sweetie.....<kotc> |
| shelbee> | ohhhh sooo true princess.... you can gooooooo many plasces there i just like tours better...;) |
| Pride Mast> | But, see there as Nita put it, a Dom/me, favorite style of training can point out thier general attitude of domination |
| STIG> | dez break time |
| dezeray~~~> | Thank you STIG Sir..*smile* |
| mb~~SirJ's> | how long did it take you to KNOW what the poem ring around the rosie to mean...was spoken...was read...was recited...and not til i was an adult did the MEANING become clear |
| MISBI (sha> | i agree Pm |
| sun~~Cimme> | That's a good point mb. |
| ~pierced&p> | *snuggling back* taking in the conversation* |
| STIG> | I think we can see that we all have different styles and and levels |
| jen> | and should not be judged based on the differences |
| ~pierced&p> | and that is what makes everyone unique...*s* |
| shelbee> | EXACTLY mb... but we all must BEGIN SOMEWHERE>> FROM THE BEGNING!! ;) |
| Rebel> | the only delineation is between sub and slave.. all else is open to interpurtation.. |
| MISBI (sha> | how many Dom/me sends a new sub to read subNation before traing |
| Pride Mast> | Well just to put a new twist on this whole thing, to define and give examples of style, What is your favorite, training positon/technique? |
| STIG> | jen..correct I respect each persons choice even if I don't agree |
| Nita> | Let me tell you....there are alot more dynamics here than Dom/sub.......I found that out rt last month |
| mb~~SirJ's> | i started in BDSM as a 20 yrs old....did not KNOW the meaning of a true BDSM relationship....til recently.......before i just PLAYED at it...now i LIVE it |
| chantel> | you are right NITa.. |
| Pride Mast> | Dom or sub, either one: Mine is tied spread eagle, using lash. |
| mb~~SirJ's> | <kissing Nita> as we all did Nita |
| STIG> | mb thats how I started..fun but found out how real it is |
| Rebel> | i learned many years ago when i had 2 slaves and 4 subs.. r/t.. |
| mb~~SirJ's> | <smiling at STIG> and so glad i know the difference now |
| STIG> | me too.. |
| beauty> | it is wonderful, mb, to live r/t,...i am not happy any other way |
| mb~~SirJ's> | where did you get the energy REBEL |
| ~pierced&p> | *nodding in agreement* |
| Rebel> | i was younger ...lol |
| Ashtarot> | LOL - eating sugar? |
| beauty> | lol |
| mb~~SirJ's> | yes beauty.....that is the ONLY way |
| Netolio> | All this talk of levels of submission brings up a question... Is it true then that a Dom/me is limitted by the "level" that the sub happens to be at? Seems the sub is controlling the situation if that is true. |
| shelbee> | both slaves and subs feel emotions.......and VT..... if sincere and honest is REAL emotion!!!!!! |
| Pride Mast> | Net of course. |
| Rebel> | a DOm/mme must always respect the limits of a sub.. |
| Ashtarot> | in some ways - yes |
| STIG> | Net you could be right...but can not the levels change for them both? |
| adler*****> | Hello all |
| mb~~SirJ's> | yes i do not understand the ability to seperate VT from RT...my emotions rule my world...so both are equally real |
| Pride Mast> | As STIG, is correct too. |
| jen> | yes, I think eventually, the limits will change as you both grow together |
| mb~~SirJ's> | adler<kiss> |
| Nita> | shelbee.....that is so true....my heart still aches for pet |
| Netolio> | Aw... STIG... yes, that's what makes it all interesting! |
| Rebel> | as does mine nita.. |
| Ashtarot> | there are no fixed limits - they change with every new experience |
| STIG> | Net ..very..*L* |
| Netolio> | So then the difference might be that the slave imposes no limits? |
| Nita> | if the limits are not followed it turns into abuse |
| jen> | and with every person |
| mb~~SirJ's> | and mine Nita...and dances with her still in the moon lite nights |
| jen> | (smiles at Nita and shakes my head up and down) |
| Rebel> | ahhhhhhhh a good point where is the line between fun and abuse.. |
| mb~~SirJ's> | that is where respect and understanding comes in Rebel |
| chantel> | i agree mb.. fully |
| ~pierced&p> | and also depending on their pain tolerance... |
| Red Hawk> | abuse is when one of the parties object....? |
| mb~~SirJ's> | and the use of our intellegence |
| jen> | it's called the HOSPITAL line, Rebel! Sorry, have to prepare myself for this part of the discussion |
| Rebel> | true . mb.. but does it not all so have to do with limits and respect there of ??? |
| ~pierced&p> | very good point |
| chantel> | yes i feel abuse is to go beyond anothers limits knowingly |
| Nita> | sending jen strength..... |
| STIG> | a slave expects no limits because they have given completly |
| mb~~SirJ's> | i know NITA i know.......a look hurts more than a slap when you love |
| Blue Rose> | where is pet i havent noticed her around? |
| Pride Mast> | That's is why, you have the danger words or what have you. |
| jen> | PM, safe words mean nothing if the Dom/me does not listen to you |
| Nita> | BR....she passed away last month |
| Sheriff (a> | well, interesting topics here tonite....but the sheriff has a town to look after in the morning..so i'm going to bed..hehe..nite all.. |
| mb~~SirJ's> | ahh Blue ROse she is here around us and in our hearts she watches us and loves us from above ...she guides my actions adn my heart |
| Rebel> | but a slave has no safe words .. |
| ~pierced&p> | nite Sheriff...Sir |
| shelbee> | (nite{ {{{{{{{{{{{Sherriff}}}}}}}}}}}}} |
| STIG> | see you Sheriff |
| Rebel> | a slave has to rely on the master's conception of thier limits.. |
| dezeray~~~> | Good night Sheriff Sir..*smile* |
| Red Hawk> | hmmm...slaves don't have safewords... sound dangerous to me.... |
| mb~~SirJ's> | night SHerriff safe dreams |
| chantel> | i have no safe word never felt the ned yet i am no slave rebel...smile |
| Nita> | <squeezing mb's hands gently> mine too |
| jen> | we are beyond 'slave' or 'sub', Rebel...one does not need to be abused no matter who you are! |
| ~pierced&p> | this is where you must have complete trust in Dom/me |
| Pride Mast> | jen, agreed, but that is the trust, if the Dom/me does not listen then it is wrong for them to be joined. |
| beauty> | a slave should not need safe words if her Dom respects her.... |
| jen> | Sometimes PM, you don't find that out until it's too late, Sir |
| Rebel> | but as a sub chamtel you have the choice.. |
| chantel> | but recently thought it was a good idea when brought up |
| Pride Mast> | Rebel, that is a different story, and can not have an opinion |
| Blue Rose> | im sorry to hear that Nita i truly am i am sorry i didnt know:( |
| STIG> | I use a safe word and would never want to hear it....thats why a master and sub talks thing through |
| mb~~SirJ's> | that si why a slave does not JUMP at any MASTER but must choose wisely before signing over the life |
| Nita> | safe words are important in the beginning....gives both ppl a sense of knowing limits |
| beauty> | correct mb |
| chantel> | i agree now NIta.. |
| Rebel> | agreed nita.. |
| Pride Mast> | jen, then as soon as found out, and as can be done, RUN!!! |
| mb~~SirJ's> | yes NITA |
| STIG> | yes Nita |
| Nita> | thanks BR.... |
| Red Hawk> | best safewords are never used.... |
| jen> | Can't be done when you're tied to a bed and blindfolded, PM! |
| chantel> | smiling at RH.. i like that theory |
| mb~~SirJ's> | i have used mine....but not for my safty but for my childrens |
| Pride Mast> | Like I said and as can be done... |
| Nita> | they do more than protect....they also help to fulfill |
| princess> | good night everyone |
| Netolio> | Nita... how can you ever "push the envelope" with safewords involved? <playing the devil's advocate> |
| Pride Mast> | nite princess |
| chantel> | night princess softlykissing you.. |
| dezeray~~~> | Good night princess..*smile* |
| ~pierced&p> | nightie nite princess...*kotc* |
| beauty> | good night princess |
| STIG> | bye princess..*hugs* |
| Rebel> | the best dom/dommes begin as subs ..so they will know and understand the need of safewords.. and respect of limits.. |
| sun~~Cimme> | Goodnight princess. |
| mb~~SirJ's> | night princess safe dreams |
| Red Hawk> | Nita...you talk through the envelope and re-establish limits
(mutually agreed of course) if needed.... nite princess..... |
| mb~~SirJ's> | Net you push "limits" not break then...the safe word is for when it is about to break |
| STIG> | I have never been a sub and I feel I know respect and limits |
| Nita> | it is part of respect Net....I respect my subs enough to provide them the security of safe words and the promise that I will honor them |
| Netolio> | mb... don't you find your "limits" changing as the relationship grows? |
| Nita> | night princess....love you |
| mb~~SirJ's> | yes and so does the breaking point |
| Red Hawk> | Net/Nita... safewords can be changed over time.... |
| STIG> | Net yes as we grow |
| chantel> | smiling at mb...my limits and ways have grown in bounds since july |
| jen> | Nita, many promises are broken, no matter what you say in the beginning of a relationship, Ma'am |
| Nita> | I use three......one for slowing down....one for speeding up....and one for STOP! |
| STIG> | jen if I break my promise then I feel I could never come here again its a matter of my own self respect |
| chantel> | then they should be called guidelines at the beginning not promises... |
| Nita> | jen....I know they can be.....I have never broken a promise |
| Red Hawk> | if you break a promise (limit) then you're a jerk.... but it is ok to mutually agree to move limits.... |
| mb~~SirJ's> | don't make a promise...make a n agreement....because we are human...and make mistakes.....thats way a safe word is jused when a BREAK is about to happen not a stretching |
| Netolio> | Red Hawk... yes, I agree... that is the only way for things to change. |
| STIG> | I am one of the new boys here and I find myself forever learning and growing each time I talk to either a sub or Dom/Domme |
| Netolio> | mb makes a good point... Never cry wolf with a safeword! |
| mb~~SirJ's> | <snuggling into NITAS arms> well if a sub is "crying wolf" than that sub is not truly interested in the life...just the game |
| jen> | In my humple opinion...y'all would change your minds about thinking how important a safe word is if you found yourself in a hospital room after being seriously beaten...safe words don't mean anything at all |
| Netolio> | jen... you are talking about an asshole that broke every rule in the book and doesn't deserve to be called a Dom! |
| Red Hawk> | jen.... I agree... in addition to a safeword.... the Dom needs to really know the sub and be able to read other signs..... |
| Nita> | but jen.......that was not a responsible BDSM relationship if it went that far |
| STIG> | jen your right. But for some of us they don't always mean a safe word is for a sub only |
| mb~~SirJ's> | jen it is not the word...but the integerty of the humans incvolved.......if the people do not have reason respect and responcability.....then NOTHING is safe |
| Ashtarot> | and do you think I would not stop if any of my subs use the 'safeword'? |
| STIG> | Ash no one is pointing fingers but I think we all know that these things can happen |
| jen> | maybe not, Ash...anger does many things to a person at the time |
| Netolio> | Ash... I would hope that you would! |
| mb~~SirJ's> | i was taken for an 11 yrs ride.....cuz the person had no integerty |
| Nita> | anger? why would anger be a part of any scene? |
| Red Hawk> | .... well, bad and lousy things do happen... but we need to look at what we ....as hopefully decent people...can do to minimize the risks to all of us.... |
| chantel> | i agree this is hard for me to fathom,nita and uncomfortable for me.. |
| Rebel> | when anger comes in respect goes.. |
| jen> | wrong word, sorry Ma'am |
| mb~~SirJ's> | i also bear scares for my 20's when my DOM/husband allowed the feeling of power to over come his reason and not honor the safe word.....was because we where studip and unthinking |
| Nita> | me too chantel.....if I was angry I would not be with someone I really cared for |
| Red Hawk> | oh, ... anger is sooo dangerous.....(in all facets fo life not just scenes....) |
| STIG> | I have had more RT experiance than VT and find it hard that people in VT find themsleves unable to just switch off their pc if things get too heavy? |
| Nita> | that is where the mental connection comes in STIG |
| mb~~SirJ's> | yes...how does one treat their children when angry...will show how a DOM will treat a sub while angry |
| chantel> | me too stig the X is the the ultimate safeword here.. |
| Red Hawk> | .... Stig... I think the emotions in VT are quite real.... so it might indeed be difficult to just cut the cord.... |
| jen> | doesn't anger come into play while one is being punished? |
| Red Hawk> | in VT you are talking emotianal abuse.... more than physical |
| Nita> | I found myself in a position once that I was very upset with....but I didn't turn off the computer |
| chantel> | cut it and return in five tho it is a possibility unlike rt.. |
| mb~~SirJ's> | yes NITA is right<looking at chantel> and YOU may think you can reach that X but when the though does not ENTER your mind you are as stuck as if tied up |
| sun~~Cimme> | Which hurts more than physical. |
| beauty> | i've found VT to be very real emotionally as if it was happening R/t and yes it is difficult sometimes RH |
| STIG> | yes I know the emotions are strong very strong but the choice is there |
| mb~~SirJ's> | so is the choise to walk out of your hose in the middle of anger STIG but how many of us do it? |
| Netolio> | STIG... isn't 911 also there in r/l? The ultimate "safe word"! |
| chantel> | i agree... i have never had to X but i think i would..\:) |
| mb~~SirJ's> | house |
| Nita> | I stayed....to show the smallness of the other person involved....there was several ppl there and I knew they didn't enjoy what was happening either |
| STIG> | I have mb....yes Net |
| mb~~SirJ's> | did you chantel?????????????did you not need it...i saw you shrivel |
| chantel> | but i did not x...mb i stayed.. i did not feel the need to.x |
| mb~~SirJ's> | then STIG you are wiser than most.....i see to many who do not in the ER |
| Red Hawk> | X-ing somebody online.. is like waking out to a hotel room in your real life..... |
| mb~~SirJ's> | thats the point chantel...you did not feel the need...but you still shriveled up and faded |
| STIG> | Nita I can do that but feel better in myself to switch off and think |
| chantel> | you mean for weeks??? mb? |
| Nita> | RH in some cases it is showing the other person that they are the stronger one |
| mb~~SirJ's> | it started the moment the collar was placed about your throat |
| Red Hawk> | true... Nita... it is a retreat.... |
| chantel> | i agree with you stig it is there it is an option.. |
| beauty> | when deep in submission, the choice to 'x' or leave becomes very distant, because you feel you have no control?? |
| mb~~SirJ's> | agreeing with beauty |
| Red Hawk> | beauty... sub-space? |
| dezeray~~~> | I agree with beauty too.. |
| Nita> | and since it was another Dom.....I felt I had to protect my rep too |
| beauty> | yes Red Hawk |
| mb~~SirJ's> | the thought does not enter your mind yes Red Hawk...have been there on VT....and who considers ME weak? |
| chantel> | not me..lol |
| STIG> | I used to be a fighter but I found it did not pay to stay but to spend the time with people I feel are my friends..Nita yes that is one of the time you should |
| mb~~SirJ's> | nor do i you chantel<kiss> |
| Nita> | ahhh you are a pussy cat mb.....smile |
| chantel> | smiling... ((((mb)))) |
| mb~~SirJ's> | ahhh NITA shhhhssssssssss don't tell my secret<wink> |
| chantel> | laughing the best kept secret NITA..lol |
| beauty> | lol |
| Nita> | errrrr....sorry sweetie....just was listening to you purrrrrrr |
| mb~~SirJ's> | <purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr and snuggling closer in NITAS arms> |
| jen> | sorry y'all, but I am completely confused...how do safe-words come into play VT? |
| Nita> | more as guide words jen.... |
| mb~~SirJ's> | jen...i have used mine...when MASTER gets me deep...and my children need me....HE knows to gound me fast and get me to them |
| STIG> | jen used in RT and VT there there to help both in growing together |
| mb~~SirJ's> | my safe word is my sons name |
| chantel> | swweet mb.. |
| STIG> | i've not heard one yet.. |
| sun~~Cimme> | Nor have I |
| mb~~SirJ's> | has your sub had kids cryiong in the night? |
| STIG> | mb all the time.*L* |
| jen> | how is that a safe-word, mb? just tell him |
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| mb~~SirJ's> | i would never speak my sons name in a scene......and i can get deep into sub space<blush> so a single word..is easier..than to say a sentance |
| chantel> | i like char myself specially today..lol |
| Nita> | you mean my chair isn't the only one here? |
| Ashtarot> | hehehe |
| STIG> | a char is a tea lady/man |
| chantel> | or short for charred looking into fire.. |
| Red Hawk> | no.... I think Ash meant char... like in character issue....lol |
| mb~~SirJ's> | poking chantel> well throw a log on sis<grin> |
| chantel> | i did laughing.. |
| mb~~SirJ's> | jen did that help? <bending and blowing on coals starting fire blazing> |
| STIG> | a safe word is anything that you would not normally use |
| Ashtarot> | CHAIR! LOL |
| Red Hawk> | as to safewords in VT.... if it makes you feel better and gives a point of discussion ... I don't see anything wrong with it.... |
| jen> | a safe-word is a word to be used when a scene is going too far...what does you're being needed as a Mom have anything to do with a safe-word? |
| Nita> | yea STIG....moans and groans don't count....giggle |
| Ashtarot> | I think a safe word is not only needed when a scene goes too far - it can also mean - give me a break - or continue - but be more careful |
| STIG> | Nita..*L* |
| Red Hawk> | I feel you can step over a line... in VT as well as in RT.... |
| chantel> | giggling at Nita.. |
| STIG> | Red oh yes |
| Nita> | jen....mb meant that she used one if her children required attention..... |
| chantel> | as i see it as in any relationship it all boils down to the same thing trust and honesty.. |
| jen> | sorry, I misunderstood what she meant then |
| Nita> | and respect chantel |
| mb~~SirJ's> | it just so happened.....was never intended to be used that way...but now twice...i have been so deep i was.....immobile...and needed to be.....mentally slapped to get moving...and those where when my children started crying out in a nightmare....and i need to stop to care for them |
| Red Hawk> | ... I agree chantel... but sometimes you approach a line without fully realizing it... so a safeword can put the breaks on.... |
| chantel> | ok addendum made...smiling.. |
| Nita> | <tousling jen's blond hair> tis ok jen |
| STIG> | sorry folks must get some sleep see you all tomorrow wish I could stay...... |
| mb~~SirJ's> | night STIG safe dreams |
| Red Hawk> | by Stig..... take care |
| chantel> | nite STIG |
| dezeray~~~> | Good Night STIG Sir..*smile* |
| jen> | sorry, it's the medication, and on that note, I will just observe (smiles) |
| Ashtarot> | bye STIG - nice you joined this discussion |
| Nita> | gentle night STIG |
| STIG> | bye all and take care |
| Ashtarot> | 4am in your place - right STIG? |
| jen> | Goodnight Stig, Sir |
| mb~~SirJ's> | ah jen...no you help me make things clear to myself<kissing jen> |
| Nita> | jen....i was only kidding.....<hurt look> |
| Rebel> | stig.. next its your turn.. |
| Red Hawk> | jen... what is your view on safewords in VT? |
| STIG> | Ash yep..*proping eyes open* yes I have one in mind Reb **********poof********* |
| jen> | Red Hawk, Sir...with all due respect, I will sit this one out (simles) |
| Ashtarot> | yes |
| Red Hawk> | .... <smiling at jen...> sure ... looks like we're discussed out for tonight.... wanted to say thank you for starting it all.... I enjoyed it a lot..... .... learned a thing or two... |
| mb~~SirJ's> | as i did...thank you ASH , del , princess, Rebel...and lovely jen |
| chantel> | as did i... |
| sun~~Cimme> | And I did also. Thank you Ash Sir and Rebel. |
| Ashtarot> | thank you all for cuming and telling your opinion <big
smile> upps coming? |
| sun~~Cimme> | *grin* |
| chantel> | laughing |
| Red Hawk> | ... Freudian underwear... Ash.... |
| mb~~SirJ's> | <laughing> the first was correct...was MOST stimulating |
| sun~~Cimme> | I would love a log Ash for Cimmerian. How can we get one? |
| chantel> | leave it to youmb.. |
| mb~~SirJ's> | <blush> wellll i LOVE being wet and hot what can i say? |
| Ashtarot> | page me tomorrow and I will give you a copy |
| mb~~SirJ's> | ahh chantel<kiss> |
| sun~~Cimme> | I will. Thank you Ash. |
| Ashtarot> | hehehe I need to remove the privates from del - they are too nauthy for ya all - LOL |
| beauty> | Ash, it was great to walk in here tonight and really talk about something and learn....thanks :) |
| Red Hawk> | Ash... maybe we could post them on the webpage? |
| chantel> | hmmmm.... |
| mb~~SirJ's> | i want the privates of del only....OLOVE naught<laugh> |
| chantel> | sooooo bad mb.. |
| Red Hawk> | mb.... shame on you.....<stern look> |
| dezeray~~~> | Yes Ashtarot Sir..I too would like a log of that Sir..*smile* |
| Ashtarot> | I don't have enough space there - but I will mail it to everyone on the mailing list |
| mb~~SirJ's> | ME???????? oh Red Hawk SIr i thoyght you knew i was shameless<laugh> |
| Ashtarot> | del - you are drunk! |
| ~pierced&p> | dels...drunk *wide eyes* |
| chantel> | shhhh he didn't know you when we were free subs together lol |
| mb~~SirJ's> | of hight....give me that joint<grabing from del's hand> |
| Ashtarot> | I think I mail only her privates - much more fun - LOL |
| mb~~SirJ's> | ahh chantel thats right...Red Hawk SIr chantel and i where
running buddies when i was wild and freee<wicked grin> thats how it became....."It's all mb's fault" |
| Red Hawk> | ...must have been a wild time ...mb....lol |
| beauty> | lol, gotta blame things on someone mb :) |
| mb~~SirJ's> | ask ASH<grin> or hmmmm most of the DOMS/MES <laughing> |
| chantel> | and i have the eyes of innocence..lol |
| mb~~SirJ's> | yeah and i am quick on my feet beauty yeah thats right and you are smaller than me chantel so could hide<giggle> |
| chantel> | hmmmmm ilike you just the way you are..smiling and now i know why..giggle.. |
| mb~~SirJ's> | <kissing chantel softly> and love you sis just the way you are |
| beauty> | bbl all.....Red Hawk are you going to be around? |
| Red Hawk> | ...yes beauty I will be.... see you later.... |
| mb~~SirJ's> | well we hope so beauty...but he is alone with me and
chantel<laugh> <eyeing RH wicked ly> |
| Ashtarot> | <laughing> |
| chantel> | never to be the same giggle.. |
| mb~~SirJ's> | ahhhh i feel so mischevious!!!!!!!!!! |
| jen> | Nita, you are still private to me, Ma'am (giggles) |
| mb~~SirJ's> | MASTER,crying into cyber space> close YOUR eyes<giggle> |
| Red Hawk> | mb.... what do you have in mind....<looking at her sternly> |
| Ashtarot> | so - I think the sun is rising - I should go to bed now - have a good time all and please do not behave :-) |
| mb~~SirJ's> | oh Red Hawk Sir...my minds so convoluted even I do not know what
it has.......so will be a surprise for BOTH of us<soft sensual smile> night ASH safe dreams |
| Red Hawk> | Good Night Ash... thanks again for the opportunity to discuss things in your halls here.... |
| mb~~SirJ's> | ASH i have anothe BOM..the second edition....may i hand it above
the bar??? hang |
| chantel> | nite ash...(((ASh |
| Ashtarot> | its not my hall - everyone who joins here owns a part of it <smile> |
| Red Hawk> | oh, good..... but you are one of the few who laid the foundations.... |
| Nita> | well....guess since Ash is leaving.....I should go to bed too....giggle |
| Ashtarot> | hehehe Nita that is too obvious |
| mb~~SirJ's> | thank YOU ASH<going behind bar and loving placeing pets BOM mark II above mirrors> |
| Nita> | look jen......no private....giggle |
| Ashtarot> | what will they think about us? :-)) |
| Rebel> | hummm nita are you going to bed WITH Ash ???? |
| Nita> | ahhh Ash let them wonder.... |
| mb~~SirJ's> | can i come with you two ASH and NNITA? |
| Ashtarot> | see Rebel? that's what I expected to happen Nita |
| Rebel> | an orgy ... lets all go !!!!!!!!!!! |
| Nita> | Ash....ever been to Nashville? |
| Ashtarot> | not yet - but might go there in spring <grin> |
| Rebel> | lol nita thats OUR place... |
| Ashtarot> | I will be in US - April and Mai |
| shelbee> | lol |
| mb~~SirJ's> | OH OH <jumping up and down> bring del WEST!!!!!!!!! |
| Ashtarot> | <looks at Rebel turning green with envy> |
| ~pierced&p> | Ash...Sir...stop by the cornfield here in Illinois youre always welcome...Sir...*s* |
| Rebel> | lol |
| Ashtarot> | cornfield - that gives me ideas <grin> |
| Nita> | you need to see central USA Ash.....Oklahoma |
| Pride Mast> | Night all, must be gone. |
| mb~~SirJ's> | ahhh and p&p you can hitch a ride west...and i have 5 acres<wicked grin> for fun |
| Rebel> | hummm children of the corn ??? |
| Nita> | shhhhhh.....cornfields have ears you know |
| Ashtarot> | hehehe <grinning> |
| mb~~SirJ's> | and you can HEAR them grow after a rain<giggle> |
| ~pierced&p> | *giggle* hey cornfields are fun...*s* |
| Ashtarot> | yep |
| mb~~SirJ's> | yup<memories of nebraska leap to mind> |
| ~pierced&p> | *pkol* Master Pride...until the morrow...Sir |
| mb~~SirJ's> | night PM safe dreams |
| Nita> | oh yea....you can tell you have never had to wipe with a cob...... |
| mb~~SirJ's> | and ASH this was WONDEFUL thank You |
| Nita> | <blush> it must be the meds.... |
| ~pierced&p> | thank you Ash...Sir...also... |
| mb~~SirJ's> | no Nita just the husks |
| Ashtarot> | del organized it |
| ~pierced&p> | what you smoking husks again mb...*lol* |
| MISBI (sha> | Ash enjoyed the discussion |
| Nita> | ohhhhh the husks.....geeeez now I find out |
| ~pierced&p> | Thank del...you are a dream...hon....*hugs* |
| mb~~SirJ's> | well give her extra for me<wicked grin> for doing a wonderful job |
| Ashtarot> | she loves to keep the Dom/mes busy <grin> |
| Nita> | del....<hugs> Ash....ummm you about ready dear? |
| mb~~SirJ's> | naw gave that up after trying the ditch weed<laughing> 1970 was a bad year for fditch weed<yuk> |
| Ashtarot> | yep Nita - let's go! <smiles> |
| ~pierced&p> | *giggling* |
| Ashtarot> | I love you all! - Goodnight |
| MISBI (sha> | no the the list jumped RH night Ash |
| ~pierced&p> | *kotc*huggles* nightie nite Ash Sir...*s* |
| Nita> | <trailing my jamies behind me> Night everyone....<wink> |
| jen> | Goodnight Ash, Sir |
| mb~~SirJ's> | <kissing Nita softly> safe dreams love<soft smile>........and BOP |
| shelbee> | well.........walking around and giving....each and every one of you a hug,,,,,,, night all.......{{{{{{huugs}}}}}}}}} |
| jen> | Goodnight Nita, Ma'am |
| Red Hawk> | Good Night Ash.... Schlaf gut... schoene Traume und Alles.... |
